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New Frontier has been a bit of an adventure.
After Gathering Storm, it seemed like Firaxis was maybe heading towards a Third Expansion. To me, it certainly seemed like the game and expansions was built with hooks for that, eg expanded tech tree, various unit gaps, loyalty / governors / governments that could be expanded on, missing favourite Civs.
But then came a lot of waiting and then, after that, New Frontier. Right for the start FXS said NFP wasn’t an expansion, and that’s really proven to be the case. Most everything that’s been added so far - and this isn’t a criticism, just an observation - has been very peripheral or b-roll / DVD extras sorts of content, e.g. extreme game modes or prior play test versions of mechanics, balance changes but nine that really rework or expand mechanics, alternate and casual Multi-player modes. I mean, I love all this new stuff, some of it is really fun, but it’s also all super disposable versus the replay-ability of the base game.
Indeed, what I’ve found amazing is how studiously it’s really avoided adding any of the sort content you’d expect from a Third Expansion other than Civs and a couple of new districts - no filling unit gaps, no equivalent to ideologies or ideological pressure, no future tech, no expanding religion or world congress, no corporations (although maybe we’ll see that in the Alt Resources Mode, whatever that is).
It also feels a bit like what we’re getting with NFP is all stuff that requires art time, play test QC/QA time and great ideas, but not lots of actual sleeves rolled up developer time. It also all seems very focused around Anton, with Ed being very silent (other than tweets about board games).
As I’ve said before, NFP feels very much like Rise n Fall in many ways. A project lead by Anton, that had lots of great ideas, but sort of needed another iteration (ie Gathering Storm, lead by Ed), to really pull it all together. I really hope there’s something after NFP - be it another season pass, a Gathering Storm type expansion focused on the end game, or some combination of the two - that brings everything together.
Thoughts?
After Gathering Storm, it seemed like Firaxis was maybe heading towards a Third Expansion. To me, it certainly seemed like the game and expansions was built with hooks for that, eg expanded tech tree, various unit gaps, loyalty / governors / governments that could be expanded on, missing favourite Civs.
But then came a lot of waiting and then, after that, New Frontier. Right for the start FXS said NFP wasn’t an expansion, and that’s really proven to be the case. Most everything that’s been added so far - and this isn’t a criticism, just an observation - has been very peripheral or b-roll / DVD extras sorts of content, e.g. extreme game modes or prior play test versions of mechanics, balance changes but nine that really rework or expand mechanics, alternate and casual Multi-player modes. I mean, I love all this new stuff, some of it is really fun, but it’s also all super disposable versus the replay-ability of the base game.
Indeed, what I’ve found amazing is how studiously it’s really avoided adding any of the sort content you’d expect from a Third Expansion other than Civs and a couple of new districts - no filling unit gaps, no equivalent to ideologies or ideological pressure, no future tech, no expanding religion or world congress, no corporations (although maybe we’ll see that in the Alt Resources Mode, whatever that is).
It also feels a bit like what we’re getting with NFP is all stuff that requires art time, play test QC/QA time and great ideas, but not lots of actual sleeves rolled up developer time. It also all seems very focused around Anton, with Ed being very silent (other than tweets about board games).
As I’ve said before, NFP feels very much like Rise n Fall in many ways. A project lead by Anton, that had lots of great ideas, but sort of needed another iteration (ie Gathering Storm, lead by Ed), to really pull it all together. I really hope there’s something after NFP - be it another season pass, a Gathering Storm type expansion focused on the end game, or some combination of the two - that brings everything together.
Thoughts?