I really need some help.

[Borachio]

So can I. I wouldn't take that as evidence I'm not socially inept.

It would be nice if there was some five point plan, or a checklist of requirements, that one could simply pass and be deemed "socially alright". But I don't think there is.

It's dead easy to get a diagnosis of some illness (even an unwarranted one), but I think people are considered "normal" by default as much as anything.

 

[tetley]

There are Israeli refuseniks in jail now because they refused to heed the call to conscription. If you desperately run to the CFC forum because you were NOT conscripted, then I would have to concur with the psychiatrist that something's wrong.

 

[Samez]

IIRC you can switch from one countries military force to another within the NATO after some years of service. I am not sure if this works for all NATO nations and especially not if it works for the IDF.

 

[Borachio]

Israel's not in NATO, is it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

Caw! 7.8 million military personnel (including reservists) for a populaton of 909 million!

Israel ~3 million military (including reservists) for a population of 8.2 million.

 

[ori]

you get that kind of relation if you have mandatory service and mandatory reserve duty for most everyone - something most European countries never had (in terms of both genders) and certainly most have not had for years or decades for males either...
As for the thread topic I think people are confusing conscription and voluntary enlistment here - If I understand this correctly Moutwash wants to enlist voluntarily - which is actually something the IDF likes from non-citizens but doesn't actually need right now so they certainly can be picky about whom they enlist...

 

[Borachio]

You may be right. But in that case why did Mr Wash write:

I've been rejected for conscription in the IDF .

?

 

[warpus]

My grandparents used to receive letters in the mail even just a decade and a half ago - letters containing orders that I show up and serve my country, or get charged with a crime and get thrown in jail.

Uniformed officers showed up at their doors, asking for me! .. .. it all eventually stopped, but for a while I didn't know if I would be able to return to the country safely.

That's all over now, but this sort of BS definitely affected me.. and my dad - he had to spend 2 years being miserable in the army. He did get something out of it though! He learned how to write backwards. Hooray.

 

[ori]

You may be right. But in that case why did Mr Wash write:
?

Well yeah there is that though I still get that impression from this thread as well as previous posts on the topic...

 

[Borachio]

Writing backwards isn't much of an achievement. A couple of years ago I decided to do exactly that, to find out how difficult it might have been for Leonardo da Vinci to do so.

It's amazingly easy! I could do it really reliably after a mere two days of not very intensive practice. In fact, I'd say it's a lot easier to write backwards than it is to read backwards. I kept having to hold my examples up to the mirror to admire them.

 

[warpus]

Writing backwards isn't much of an achievement. A couple of years ago I decided to do exactly that, to find out how difficult it might have been for Leonardo da Vinci to do so.

It's amazingly easy! I could do it really reliably after a mere two days of not very intensive practice. In fact, I'd say it's a lot easier to write backwards than it is to read backwards. I kept having to hold my examples up to the mirror to admire them.

My dad had to learn how to write backwards because his job in the military was to sit behind that glass map/board in an airport control tower, and write everything backwards, so that the generals and other top military brass on the other side can see where all the planes are and make decisions on what to do.

So I think we're talking about different types of backwards here

But if not, it sounds like it's you vs my dad. Next sunday sunday SUNDAY

 

[Borachio]

No. I think your dad and me were doing the exact same thing. If people on the other side could read his writing he had to be writing backwards, and they'd see the mirror image (with lateral inversion) of what he wrote.

Of course, it's also possible to write each individual letter backwards but be writing the sentences from left to right (as normal, if that's normal for you, you might be writing arabic for all I know). I practiced doing that too. It isn't any easier or more difficult. Or you can write the letters in the normal way but in the reverse order.

And it's also possible to write backwards but still produce non-mirror image text. So instead of starting at the left hand side of the page and writing the sentence forwards, you start at the end of the sentence at the right hand side and write backwards until you reach the left hand start of the sentence. If you see what I mean. It's a bit trickier since you have to have a good sense of the complete sentence before you start. Though I just used to copy a sentence from a book.

The true aficianado of the technique will naturally be writing cursively throughout. Those who print are cheating. But only cheating themselves!

What a person will do when bored!

 

[Mouthwash]

Well yeah there is that though I still get that impression from this thread as well as previous posts on the topic...

I can be conscripted voluntarily in Israel.

 

[Borachio]

Yes. That makes sense: "compulsory volunteering".


Actually, I've been obliged to volunteer myself only 18 months ago (but not for the military, dear me, no).

It does happen. But it kind of stretches the meaning of words beyond breaking point.

 

[Mouthwash]

Yes. That makes sense: "compulsory volunteering".

I can be exempted from the draft, and I don't want to be. In that sense, it's voluntary. But in Israel conscripts and volunteers have two different statuses, and I prefer conscription.

 

[Borachio]

Yes. I understand. As I say, that sort of thing does happen. I wasn't joking.

 

[ori]

I can be conscripted voluntarily in Israel.

I actually would argue that this is you enlisting or being recruited voluntarily as conscription really does include the non-voluntary part.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

My grandparents used to receive letters in the mail even just a decade and a half ago - letters containing orders that I show up and serve my country, or get charged with a crime and get thrown in jail.

Uniformed officers showed up at their doors, asking for me! .. .. it all eventually stopped, but for a while I didn't know if I would be able to return to the country safely.

That's all over now, but this sort of BS definitely affected me.. and my dad - he had to spend 2 years being miserable in the army. He did get something out of it though! He learned how to write backwards. Hooray.

So your grandparents still live in Poland, and the Polish army came looking for you years after you and your parents and siblings left? Do you still have Polish citizenship? I assume you became a Canadian citizen a long while back...

 

[Hygro]

I did get one. But he still couldn't figure out why is it that I ever had the Asperger's label, so he wasn't going to take the risk.

I find the best thing with doctors is, while giving them respect, tell them exactly who you think you are super straight up. So be like "Yeah, I don't have Aspergers, I was just [shy/etc] as a kid. I'm totally [positive thing that contradicts aspergers] and [another example]" let your voice start to trail "and stuff." The "and stuff" is semi-important. Make sure you give a confident but not too eager handshake and look the guy in the eye and smile easily, stuff that's not aspergersy. Just basic chillbro behavior. Assertive yet easygoing.

Also, if you set off some kind of personality alarm bell (no idea what though) to him and if he's not obliged to tell you, he might just be blaming the aspergers misdiagnosis as a decoy to not be straight up.

 

[Perfection]

So I think we're talking about different types of backwards here

When I saw your post I thought you meant Hebrew

 

[BvBPL]

Have you tried just going to another recruiter?