I really need some help.

[Mouthwash]

Yeah, but I mean, if I wanted to sign up for the Canadian military but spoke 0 French or English, they'd turn me away. It seems that the IDF doesn't do this. They allow people to join with no knowledge of the language and learn as they go? I find that interesting - seems like you'd want every single conscript to be able to communicate with everybody else starting from day 1 - so I'm a bit curious how exactly they get everyone up to speed and such.

Army ulpan.

In my own experience, it would be the recruiter going up his chain of command, which would go through channels to USMEPCOM's medical standards chief, who would go down the chain of command to the individual MEPS. I've never worked in a conscription-based service, the closest I got to it was reviewing the Selective Service call-up plans annually. So, not very helpful for you.

Well, it's not like that helps me much does it? Or, y'know, at all.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

How? I can't expect my parents to support me at all, and I don't have money for a lawyer. I'm not even sure I have a case- I'm pretty sure you can't sue for wrongful exemption.

You are essentially applying for a job (or at the very least applying for the training for the job of being a soldier). Are there any discrimination laws that might apply?

Are there any government ombudsmen to talk to? Any government department at all that could at least explain where you could go to for information?

 

[sophie]

Well, it's not like that helps me much does it? Or, y'know, at all.

Being rude to people that are genuinely trying to help you isn't going to make people want to help you.

 

[JollyRoger]

Run for United States Senate.

 

[El_Machinae]

Is there a chance you might not actually have a compatible personality?

 

[JollyRoger]

Well, it's not like that helps me much does it? Or, y'know, at all.

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

 

[Mouthwash]

Being rude to people that are genuinely trying to help you isn't going to make people want to help you.

I was in a mood.

Anyway, I'll probably go for weekly sessions with a psychiatrist (an American one) to get a recommendation and have a lawyer present my case. It's not like they're going to dig their heels in when the whole issue is that they can't prove I'm not socially-impaired.

 

[useless]

Have you considered Hasbara work

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Well, it's good that's solved, then. Hopefully they can get you the result you want.

 

[civver_764]

It's probably a sign from God that shouldn't join.

 

[cav scout]

Well, it's not like that helps me much does it? Or, y'know, at all.

Igloodude was doing his best to be helpful and instead of thanking him for his efforts you give him attitude for not solving your problem? And when Owen points out that you were being rude you respond with an excuse?

I was in a mood.

Honestly kid, I would say that your behavior in this thread does nothing but reinforce your previous Aspergers diagnosis- your response to Igloodude was self-centered, disrespectful and emotionally inept and you completely missed the social cue from Owen to correct yourself by offering an apology and expressing appreciation for someone's earnest effort on your behalf.

(oh and there was actually some very helpful information in Igloodude's post that could have put you on the path to finding the answers you are looking for yourself instead of having someone spoon feed you)

Anyway, I'll probably go for weekly sessions with a psychiatrist (an American one) to get a recommendation and have a lawyer present my case. It's not like they're going to dig their heels in when the whole issue is that they can't prove I'm not socially-impaired.

Yeah, good luck with that. You seem to be under the impression that the IDF exists for you and what you want to do in life. But the mission of the IDF is actually the defense of Israel- if a conscript is unsuitable and potentially detrimental to that mission they are in fact going to "dig their heels in" and reject you. Maybe you should accept the fact that you aren't suitable for military service and get on with your life.

Oh, and here is some spoon feeding for you that I found after a few minutes of googling (emphasis added to make it easier for you, wouldn't want you to strain yourself):

The Public Appeals Commissioner (Katzin/Katzinat Pniyot HaTzibur) is an intermediary between the I.D.F. and the civilian sector, and handles direct inquiries of soldiers in regular service and in reserve duty regarding irregularities, injustices, and mismanagement in their units. The Commissioner also deals with soldier’s inquiries about deferments and exemptions from military service, family and psychological problems affecting soldiers, medical problems and medical board decisions, and unanswered requests for easing of conditions of service. Families of soldiers may also consult with the Public Appeals Commissioner.

 

[Borachio]

I'm still a bit baffled why anyone would object to not being conscripted.

Isn't that a bit like a woman going to the police to complain she hadn't been raped? (Or a man, come to think of it.)

But, I jest. Sure, I can understand why someone might want to "do their bit", as it were. Shame it's "in defence" of a nation state, though.

 

[Tahuti]

Isn't that a bit like a woman going to the police to complain she hadn't been raped? (Or a man, come to think of it.)

Plenty of women who had sex with convicted rapists often feel guilt for the punishments they got for the convinction of that act (towards them). It may not be the majority, though it is a thing definitely.

 

[Agent327]

I've been rejected for conscription in the IDF because the psychiatrist thinks the Asperger's diagnosis I received as a child means that there is something wrong with me. Never mind that I've been examined very recently and been recommended for enlistment, he thinks that even though I probably don't have Asperger's, there must be something wrong with me because in the past I've had trouble socially. Of course I have no such problems now, but it's not as if he's going to risk his job in the face of anything less than perfection.

There has to be something wrong with this, some way that I can appeal. I have no idea of the Israeli legal process and I'm not sure if I could just write a letter to someone. I can definitely prove that there is nothing psychologically wrong with me. I just have no idea where to turn, no idea how to do anything, and have no allies whatsoever. I feel like I'm going to explode if I can't talk to anyone, or get some idea of what to do.

I'd ask for a second opinion. A psychiatrist is a doctor, so it seems to me you should be able to ask for that.

(Decades ago I was diagnosed as 'mentally unfit' for work. Interestingly this happened as a result of a psychological evaluation following some problems with non-military service, for which I arrived too late. I am still 'mentally unfit', despite which I've been working.)

 

[Mouthwash]

I'd ask for a second opinion. A psychiatrist is a doctor, so it seems to me you should be able to ask for that.

I did get one. But he still couldn't figure out why is it that I ever had the Asperger's label, so he wasn't going to take the risk.

 

[warpus]

What's your backup plan, if your quest to join the IDF falls through?

 

[Borachio]

There has to be something wrong with this, some way that I can appeal. I have no idea of the Israeli legal process and I'm not sure if I could just write a letter to someone. I can definitely prove that there is nothing psychologically wrong with me.

This is so reminiscent of Catch 22, it's alarming.

If I was your psychiatrist I'd think there's something wrong because you want to appeal against being found unsuitable for conscription.

Yet you seem to believe that you can definitely prove there's nothing psychologically wrong with you. How many people can say the same? I know I can't. And I've not, to my knowledge, met anyone else who can either.

 

[Mouthwash]

What's your backup plan, if your quest to join the IDF falls through?

I dunno. =)

This is so reminiscent of Catch 22, it's alarming.

If I was your psychiatrist I'd think there's something wrong because you want to appeal against being found unsuitable for conscription.

Yet you seem to believe that you can definitely prove there's nothing psychologically wrong with you. How many people can say the same? I know I can't. And I've not, to my knowledge, met anyone else who can either.

I can prove that I'm not socially impaired, I mean.

 

[Borachio]

I'm intrigued. How can you do that?

 

[Mouthwash]

I'm intrigued. How can you do that?

I can offer to work on a kibbutz or something.