I want to hear from Firaxis

Venereus said:
Well, the easy answer are the many people whose game can't run properly due to technical issues. I am one of many costumers who could play the game after the worldwide release, and can't play it after the first patch (the second one didn't fix it either).

The hard answer are the in-game problems. The tactical AI, the diplomacy, the UI, etc. Debatable issues, but issues nonetheless. The little bugs are more forgivable.
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Choose one of the following: Didn't get tested? Testers didn't get listened to? Not enough time to resolve all problems?

You say "many people". Have you polled them all? There's 45,000 connected to Steam right now. How many is "many people"? There's not too many threads in the bugs forum saying "can't run properly run properly due to technical issues". BTW, I love diplomacy and the UI. A personal opinion of "lack of depth" or "looks like crap" are not bugs. ;)
 
Afforess said:
Excuse me. I need to go sacrifice a lamb to the deity of your choice for SDK tools tomorrow.
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Yeah, wonder what's taking so long.

*Looks in Greg's direction*
 
It's funny because in game dev it's impossible to make everyone happy, and those that you make unhappy think that they're right and that's that.

Anger about technical issues I can understand, and as someone who mods at the 2K forums I can tell you 100% that 2K and Firaxis are doing everything they can to help people troubleshoot via email tickets, phone calls, and forum posts.

If you just flat out hate changes though, or streamlining, that's an opinion that you and maybe even some others share but not that everyone shares. I see so many people using absolutes when trying to argue their point i.e. all hardcore civ fans hate the AI. It's just a poor way of arguing your point in any debate.
 
yeti101 said:
its a deliberate decision to attract casual/new gamers. A user over at the 2k forums emailed them asking about all the features missing and the reply basically said "we wanted it simpler to attract new gamers"
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If you're gonna post that, link where you saw it. Otherwise it's pretty much just 'my cousin's friend's sister's ex boyfriend said he saw that in an email.'

Now, I'm not denying that the developers may have done that. My point is that you're quoting some e-mail that you did not receive but that you claim to have seen a post about. There is nothing in your post that gives any proof to anything you said. That, and the fact that a personal e-mail is pretty easy to fabricate and post on a forum.
 
2K might be waiting to see what the general consensus is on all issues. Diplomacy, production times vs. research times, etc. are points of contention.

But AI is generally agreed to be brain dead.
 
SuperJay said:
You can't go liking new Civ games around here, it's totally uncool dude. You gotta get with the program and hate on anything new or different. Also, make sure you call the game "broken" at every opportunity, spin wild conspiracy theories about how everyone in the software industry is out to get you, and call every design choice that you disagree with "a bug." Make sure you frequently mention the phrases "console-ized" and "dumbed down." The game as whole will be referred to as "an abomination" only.

Now get out there and start'cher hatin, boy! :rolleyes: :lol:
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Hahahah. Quoted for truthfulness. This is all civfanatics has been lately. Kind of embarrassing.
 
rep1826 said:
And now what do I do with my time, which believe or not, I actually do think is valuable? I complain about Civ 5 on the Internet. I never do stuff like this.

What a waste of life.
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I agree, it DOES seem like a waste, but I can understand why you're doing it if you feel you have no other option. Especially if you've been getting really excited for the release and now feel that you didn't get what you were hoping for.

My caustic responses last night weren't really excusable; I just took off on tear because of all the hysterical crying - calling the game "an abomination," calling every feature they dislike "bugged" or "broken," claiming "nobody ever tested this game at all," you know... the usual completely nonsensical, exaggerated, ridiculous allegations. I have no problem with "I'm disappointed; this isn't what I was hoping for," which is where you were coming from - and I can sympathize with that perspective.

Maybe 2K or Firaxis will indeed give you some kind of information. Personally I wouldn't wait long for that, it just seems unlikely. But I could be wrong, it happened once before. ;)

If that is going to happen, I want the developers to tell us so I can get over it and stop wasting my time on the internet. Nothing lasts forever. And if my notion of "Civilization" is one of those things, then I'll be sorely disappointed...but at least I'll know it's time to stop hoping and get a new hobby.
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But can't you just keep playing the games you still enjoy? Civ4+BTS or the like? I don't mean that in the "GTFO if you don't like it" sense, but despite your disappointment in 5, if you still like Civ4 you can still play it, right? I know it doesn't fix the problem, but your hobby isn't "gone," you know?

IMO, this seems to come down to people who enjoyed empire-simulation and lots of micromanagement versus those who like strategy games and aren't interested in all that micro'ing. That, to me, is not fun - the micromanagement has always been the bane of the series, IMO - so Civ5 seems like a step in the right direction for me. Separating the wheat from the chaff, if you will.

Anyway, best of luck. Thanks for your reasonable feedback.
 
Meh, I imagine a lot of people like the game the way it is. I know I don't share some things in common with a lot of people. A lot of people like professional wrestling and NASCAR too. Civ 4 was a game that appealed to people like me. Civ 5 is not. I don't expect the company is going to go 'oh we should have targeted that market that got us less sales but was a game we could be more proud of' and I guess I'll live with that.
 
rep1826 said:
I guess I just want someone to tell us (the "unhappy crowd") if they're going to keep my old hobby going or not. Because if they don't, Civ 4 will probably be the last of its kind. It's a great game, but it's full of flaws that could've been improved upon, some of them so glaring now that it's hard to play it knowing it could be so much better, e.g., incorporating all the good things from 5, like limited strategic resources.
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I have yet to play a game of V, and yet even I don't think I could "go back" to IV after knowing about the improvements. It has made me wonder though, could 1UPT someday be a mod for IV? It would be nice if the people who wanted to stick to IV were still able to have the improvements they wanted that way.

I really have no idea which side of the fence I'll be on after I do get the game, whenever that happens, but either way it would be nice if that option were there.

As for "fixing" the game, I don't see it happening. I think they more or less released the game they wanted, just with bugs and flaws that need to be patched up. I doubt they'll come out with an expansion called "we're sorry" that gives you everything you wanted. Those things don't happen often in real life.
 
cccv said:
I have yet to play a game of V, and yet even I don't think I could "go back" to IV after knowing about the improvements. It has made me wonder though, could 1UPT someday be a mod for IV? It would be nice if the people who wanted to stick to IV were still able to have the improvements they wanted that way.
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Afforess' A New Dawn mod has 1UPT.;)
 
I wish they could be as open as stardock, I'm not saying the game is in as bad state as element was when released, but at least they are honest and have good communication with the community.
 
TheMystic said:
I see so many people using absolutes when trying to argue their point i.e. all hardcore civ fans hate the AI. It's just a poor way of arguing your point in any debate.
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I would have agreed with what you wrote, but you chose to pick an example that is provably broken... most are really up to personal taste, but that the AI can't play is very easily observed.
 
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