Kentharu
Zebra Commander
i know, just wanted to make sure he didn't hate me or anything for it... or thought i did it intentionally, though he probably wouldn't cause isr is just cool like that 
ICNES II: A New Order
- Thread starter Icmancin
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das
Regeneration In Process
Nice... I claim Italy!
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
NICE UPDATE!!!!
Well I am still the Turks. Egypt will pay, no one declares independence from me.
Depending on how modern and large my army is.
Well I did save the ottomans, like i orginally intented to.
Whats with al lthe different cities. like red and black outliens and dark red EC's?
OH AND RUSSIA TOOK THAT EC under the caspain that i we agreed would be mine. In exchange for him having the Caspian coast.
Also no need to change Egypts color.
Well I am still the Turks. Egypt will pay, no one declares independence from me.
Depending on how modern and large my army is.
Well I did save the ottomans, like i orginally intented to.
Whats with al lthe different cities. like red and black outliens and dark red EC's?
OH AND RUSSIA TOOK THAT EC under the caspain that i we agreed would be mine. In exchange for him having the Caspian coast.
Also no need to change Egypts color.
~Darkening~
Weep, Mother.
My god, did I do something to get on your bad side or what? It seems everyone got their way but me (and maybe Isr). So many problems I don't know where to start. I'll take the update, but you better believe there shall be hell to pay.
-Hth did Britian get gilbrator? I know he couldn't have sent a large force to take it (since I was appearntly screwed over in so many other places by him.)Half of my elite, enlarged army should have been based their while the other half attacked Morroco (as explained in orders.)- not to mention the naval elites I had. They should have put up some fight, but appearntly all my soldiers did throughout the world was lay down and give up. I would have never signed a treaty with spain, much less one giving up control Gilbrator, Madrid, and most of the terrorties I gained from attacking behind the spanish lines.
- WTH happened with Brazil? I didn't get a single warnng, not a muttering or anything. The main reason Brazil broke away in OTL was because it had a taste of freedom, something it wouldn't have had here. If anything, why the hell would I give up the entire country? This is a rebellion we're talking about here- something that, since the Spanish war was over (with zilt gains for me), I should have been able to smash it with my elites are at least grinded it to a stand still- a larger empire has more resources, so I could support a war while they couldn't. WTH is up with this emperor? Is it only my leader that was corrupt and an idiot? I mean I had NO say in the complete break off of half of my empire.
- WTH happened in the caribbean? At first you said I made some gains, but now its completly french. Let me guess my pathetic soldiers laid down for that too?
-The entire purpose of my entrance into the Spanish war was for an union, not to allow the spanish to exist. I thought I made clear that no peace treaty was to be accepted with any spanish government. I lost several eco centers that I would have defintly kept if we had played it out. Do you really think I would have given up almost every single gain I had made from the war after it was over? I mean, after a couple useless islands and 2 eco centers, I got zilch.
- The thing that pisses me off the most is that out of everyone, I got hit the worst. If Zanzibar is mine (which I don't think it is.), I'll have gained nothing through this whole thing. Zilch. And I lost everything becuase I had no say in it what-so-ever. France lost one bloody eco center and a tiny island. Britian lost NOTHING- not ever the New England colonies. Hell, everyone got off better than me in this. I could see it if someone else was hurt badly, but out of everyone only Ottomans come close to my losses.
Alright I'm done. Now its time to plan the upcoming hell.
To The Tratiors of the Crown
From The True Rulers.
May God curse you for your treacherous deeds. I hereby expell you from the Bragnza house and may that coward that I used to call my son (I think he's still in power) rot where he stands. We will no longer recognize the ties of brotherhood with you. We will have nothing to do with your traitorious people, but you shall immediatly cede the rest of Paraná, Santa Catarina , and Rio Grande do Sul to us. Failure to do so will result in the entire might of the empire crashing down on you- not an empire focused else where.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Update was fun but I hope you get the new thread up soon so I can begin diplo.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
Nice BT update mate although I am wondering what happened to my colonisation efforts in Africa?
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
To Italy
From the Austrian Reich
While we cannot forget the rebellion and the loss of life it caused, we would like to take a step forward to mend our relations. We recognise your independence unconditionaly and would look forward to the day that Vienna and Rome can co-operate as equals. We thus offer you a treaty of non-aggression.
From the Austrian Reich
While we cannot forget the rebellion and the loss of life it caused, we would like to take a step forward to mend our relations. We recognise your independence unconditionaly and would look forward to the day that Vienna and Rome can co-operate as equals. We thus offer you a treaty of non-aggression.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
To: HRE
From: Ottoman Empire
We extend our hands of friendship again, as we have been gracious allies over the many years. And thus we offer Treaties of Protection and Non Agression. Rekindeling our ties.
From: Ottoman Empire
We extend our hands of friendship again, as we have been gracious allies over the many years. And thus we offer Treaties of Protection and Non Agression. Rekindeling our ties.
Sheep
Orange Shrooms!
To the ottoman Empire
From the Greater Austrian Reich
Indeed however now that we have recognised the Italian state we have dissolved the Holy Roman Empire and no longer claim this title.
From the Greater Austrian Reich
Indeed however now that we have recognised the Italian state we have dissolved the Holy Roman Empire and no longer claim this title.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Sheep said:
To: Greater Austrian Reich
From: Ottoman Empire
We to recognize the Italians and are sorry for the miswording. So the proposels are agreeable?
das
Regeneration In Process
Italy gladly accepts the Austrian proposal.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
The Ottoman Empire also extends friendship to Italy. Will you accept a Pact of Non Agression?
das
Regeneration In Process
Yes, yes we will (OOC: much as I deplore NAPs as a concept...).
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Shh, i mean peace, and trade! We offer Ottoman Trade for ROP. 
Icmancin
WSNR Pte
@~Darkening~:Total annexation and winning territories because yu occupied them during the war is not the only way to gain territory. Portugal did capture swathes of land from Spain but diplomacy is the true factor in deciding who gets what. Gibraltar was formerly a British possession and they nagged about it until they received it. You could also not form the united Iberia as the republicans staged a coup while the Spanish were fighting outside Madrid. Galicia (I belive) was formerly part of Portugal and thus it was ceded to you. Navarre and Catalonia were created because of their help against the Spain.
As for you not getting what you wanted and everybody else getting what they wanted and you not, that is greatly unjust. The Turks lost Egypt AND Sennar and tripolitania to Muhammed Ali. Japan lost her holdings in Korea ANd her alliance with Russia. The British lost half of Burma and their desires in Mexico. Russia lost Warsaw and her holdings in Korea AND her Hawaiian Islands. Spain lost everything. The HRE lost Italy. The reason you couldn't form your union was because of outside pressure. If you would have gotten all of Iberia, that would have pissed off the French beyond belief. If you would have gotten all of Latin America, the rest of the colonial powers would have eaten you alive. Don't complain because you nearly have half of Africa and some of Oceania. You have three Carribean Islands. The Brazilian rebellion occured some 30-40 years after the IT. I can't warn you about a rebellion before the instigator even exists and considering that most of your army was in Oceania and Africa massacreing local populace and claiming huge swathes of territory there they wouldn't be able to react to the problem.
Let's get it clear. You can't completely take over another country or part of a country by crushing it's military and occupying it's land. This is African tribal wars. Diplomacy intervenes and then the spoils are divided.
And it is 1870. Dom Pedro has since passed away and so has his dad.
@das- Glad to see you joining, finally.
@Lucky- The black squares are forts and the Dark Outlines mean Industrial Centers. These can be mixed with ECs (look in Russia, I think I put Minsk as one. That will be changd to Moscow). They can be mixed with capitals (Madrid) and mixed with Capital ECs (Vienna, Istanbul) or just by themselves (some Rhineland cities).
As for you not getting what you wanted and everybody else getting what they wanted and you not, that is greatly unjust. The Turks lost Egypt AND Sennar and tripolitania to Muhammed Ali. Japan lost her holdings in Korea ANd her alliance with Russia. The British lost half of Burma and their desires in Mexico. Russia lost Warsaw and her holdings in Korea AND her Hawaiian Islands. Spain lost everything. The HRE lost Italy. The reason you couldn't form your union was because of outside pressure. If you would have gotten all of Iberia, that would have pissed off the French beyond belief. If you would have gotten all of Latin America, the rest of the colonial powers would have eaten you alive. Don't complain because you nearly have half of Africa and some of Oceania. You have three Carribean Islands. The Brazilian rebellion occured some 30-40 years after the IT. I can't warn you about a rebellion before the instigator even exists and considering that most of your army was in Oceania and Africa massacreing local populace and claiming huge swathes of territory there they wouldn't be able to react to the problem.
Let's get it clear. You can't completely take over another country or part of a country by crushing it's military and occupying it's land. This is African tribal wars. Diplomacy intervenes and then the spoils are divided.
And it is 1870. Dom Pedro has since passed away and so has his dad.
@das- Glad to see you joining, finally.
@Lucky- The black squares are forts and the Dark Outlines mean Industrial Centers. These can be mixed with ECs (look in Russia, I think I put Minsk as one. That will be changd to Moscow). They can be mixed with capitals (Madrid) and mixed with Capital ECs (Vienna, Istanbul) or just by themselves (some Rhineland cities).
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
So they bring you 1 ep a turn aswell correct? I thought they were industrial, just wasn't sure. When do you think the stats and new thread will be up/done.
Also are we at genuin OTL 1870 tech or slightly ahead?
Also are we at genuin OTL 1870 tech or slightly ahead?
Icmancin
WSNR Pte
Luckymoose said:
Industrial Centers give +1 Industry.
Economical centers give +1 EP.
Mix them together and you get +1 Industry and +1 EP.
To be frank, I haven't started the stats. I will probly start this on my Birthday (September 28th). The technology is a little more advanced, say 1880s-1890s.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
So what does industry do in game terms?
Icmancin
WSNR Pte
Industry let's you create new ships and divisions and increase some stats (but not all). To increase Infrastructure, Education and Living Standards you must pay you size cost and an Industrial Point for each level you want to increase it in. To purchase 5 more Ships, Divisions or a Capitol Ship you must pay one EP and one Industrial Point. With this system, players will need to think more collectively and they won't be able to raise large armies overnight. Some new features in this ruleset are:
Industry (cannot be banked)
Industrial Centers
Interest (for money banked)
A better fort system (bigger blocks)
The Military Upkeep from DisNESII
Capitol Ships
Submarines (Possibly)
Air Force (Nations are on the brink of invention discovery of large airships)
Banking will be much more important now. Since you cannot spend all your money on one turn (since you don't have enough Industry) you can bank your money for later. Industry will be increased by 5 EP. An Economy Level can be slashed for 1 Industry Point. These rules should prevent massive armies like the ones raised on the eve of the Franco-Spanish invasions of each other. This being said, players will need to get more tactical in order to win campaigns, because sheer size is nearly impossible now. Also the two week updates will give players a long deadline so there is no excuse for late orders. Research must be done to prevent the impossible actions that happened during the IT (like the Russian-Chinese thing). Do your homework first so that it is a reasonable outcome for all sides and there is no whining that can't be explained.
Industry (cannot be banked)
Industrial Centers
Interest (for money banked)
A better fort system (bigger blocks)
The Military Upkeep from DisNESII
Capitol Ships
Submarines (Possibly)
Air Force (Nations are on the brink of invention discovery of large airships)
Banking will be much more important now. Since you cannot spend all your money on one turn (since you don't have enough Industry) you can bank your money for later. Industry will be increased by 5 EP. An Economy Level can be slashed for 1 Industry Point. These rules should prevent massive armies like the ones raised on the eve of the Franco-Spanish invasions of each other. This being said, players will need to get more tactical in order to win campaigns, because sheer size is nearly impossible now. Also the two week updates will give players a long deadline so there is no excuse for late orders. Research must be done to prevent the impossible actions that happened during the IT (like the Russian-Chinese thing). Do your homework first so that it is a reasonable outcome for all sides and there is no whining that can't be explained.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
So I have 2 Industrial Centers correct? Fro mthe map anyway
So I would have to spend 2 EP and 2 Ind. in order ot raise 10 divisions? Or 2 Capital Ships or 10 Ship Squadrons?
That makes things more realistic.
So what can I spend Economy Points on now that I need to use Industry Points as well?
So I would have to spend 2 EP and 2 Ind. in order ot raise 10 divisions? Or 2 Capital Ships or 10 Ship Squadrons?
That makes things more realistic.
So what can I spend Economy Points on now that I need to use Industry Points as well?
