If hitler was assainated, would the third reich have formed?

[Kraznaya]

Germany would equal minor fascist government. Soviets would be the big baddies through the forties. Allies[including germany] will beat back Soviets because of population comparison.

 

[Adler17]

I doubt that. Hitler was the force behind the NSDAP. There was no other leading person available. The others, Göring, Himmler, Goebbels, were not accepted by population and party at least as leader. However the NSDAP would have had some success as protest party, like in reality, in the time of the crise 1929- 1933. But wide under the percentages they got. And nobody would have got the idea to take one of them for chancellor. So the other anti democratic party, the KPD, would have gotten more votes, but as they were in no way accepted by economy, Reichswehr or leading political men and parties they also would have had no chance. Perhaps a civil war could have been occured, but I do not think they had the possibility to win it.
On the other side Stalin would have prepared for war...

Adler

 

[Enkidu Warrior]

I think I agree with Adler that Hitler really was much more than just a figurehead for the Nazi's. Germany had been pushed to extremes by the economic situation, not just on the right but also on the left. It could just as well have been the communists who profitted from Germany's strife instead of the fascists. It could also have been neither - Germany could have recovered without indulging an extremist party. It really is impossible to predict.

 

[onejayhawk]

Nature abhors a vaccuum. Someone would have filled the role. Without Hitler, it clearly would not have been the Nazis, but the German Communists were long a principle foe. The real question is whether anyone else would have been able to solidify a hold on power as well as Hitler did. Again, the communists are a possibility, in this case because of outside factors, principally USSR. However I doubt it. The antipathy between Germany and Russia runs too deep.

J

 

[Adler17]

At first the communists could have achieved power only by a coup. On the legal way it was unthinkable. At first a majority in the Reichstag for them was unthinkable. As well as any president appointing a communist as chancellor. And a Soviet invasion of Germany in the 1930s was also not possible.
Concerning the antipathy between both, Germany and USSR, you are wrong. Until Hitler broke it, Germany had close relations to the USSR, as both were the European Pariah states. Both lost the war and both had no allies. In the treaty of Rapallo the Reich made a peace treaty with the Soviets, in which no side demanded anything. Indeed Germany was allowed to keep secret bases in Russia to build, deploy and train on weapons forbidden for Germany like tanks and fighters. Therefore they had also to train the Red Army. However it was indeed an alliance of an own kind and still also a danger for Germany. And because of that it was not undisputed among the German politicians. But it was nearly the only way to circumvent Versailles.

Adler

 

[la cosa nostra]

I doubt that. Hitler was the force behind the NSDAP. There was no other leading person available. The others, Göring, Himmler, Goebbels, were not accepted by population and party at least as leader. However the NSDAP would have had some success as protest party, like in reality, in the time of the crise 1929- 1933. But wide under the percentages they got. And nobody would have got the idea to take one of them for chancellor. So the other anti democratic party, the KPD, would have gotten more votes, but as they were in no way accepted by economy, Reichswehr or leading political men and parties they also would have had no chance. Perhaps a civil war could have been occured, but I do not think they had the possibility to win it.
On the other side Stalin would have prepared for war...

Adler

Adler knows what he's talking about.

Taking the first post - Hitlers date of death being 1924 - by this time Hitler would have had little impact beyond the renaming of the party. As such the NSDAP would still be led by its founders - Anton Drexler, Gottfried Feder, Dietrich Eckart and Karl Harrer - people who generally had as much in common with socialism as they did with nationalism. Thus it would be these people, not Goebbels or Goring who would be in control of the party. It was the whole personality of Hitler that turned the NSDAP from a minor German workers party to a fascist powerhouse - Mein Kampf would not have been even written. Theres a good chance that from this point on Weimar would survive - or be overthrown - but by the left, not the right.

 

[Adler17]

Given the facts, world economy crise, "negative" (democratic parties in absolute minority) majority in the Reichstag and Hindenburg as president, which would be also doubtful if Hitler died or disappeared in 1924, most probably then Marx, Zentrum, it is more propable the Republic would have recovered form the crise as there was an upgoing of economy since the 2nd half of 1932. So in the elections after it the democratic parties would have gained majority at last in 1934/35. Then there would have been no Hitler and de facto also no Versailles. The Republic would have been reformed- perhaps, as the introduction of a real constitutional court and the ban of non- democratic, perhaps without parlamentarian monarchists, parties would have lead to a consolidation of power for the democracy.
A communistical coup or similar take over I can´t see. But then Stalin would have been the agressor. In the 1940s. I would assume about 1945. Then he would have challenged the western world but given the capability of the united forces of Germany and the Western allies, perhaps excluding the USA, Stalin would have had no chance. But this is massive speculation.

Adler

 

[Theodorick]

Given the facts, world economy crise, "negative" (democratic parties in absolute minority) majority in the Reichstag and Hindenburg as president, which would be also doubtful if Hitler died or disappeared in 1924, most probably then Marx, Zentrum, it is more propable the Republic would have recovered form the crise as there was an upgoing of economy since the 2nd half of 1932. So in the elections after it the democratic parties would have gained majority at last in 1934/35. Then there would have been no Hitler and de facto also no Versailles. The Republic would have been reformed- perhaps, as the introduction of a real constitutional court and the ban of non- democratic, perhaps without parlamentarian monarchists, parties would have lead to a consolidation of power for the democracy.
A communistical coup or similar take over I can´t see. But then Stalin would have been the agressor. In the 1940s. I would assume about 1945. Then he would have challenged the western world but given the capability of the united forces of Germany and the Western allies, perhaps excluding the USA, Stalin would have had no chance. But this is massive speculation.

Adler

I actually agree with this. In the early 1930's the Nazi party actually had to fight an aggressive campaign to win it's extra seats due to the strenghtening of the German economy and the loss of overall liking for extremist groups such as the NSDAP and the KPD. Seeing as there was no real 'leader' in the party in the early 1920's, and himmler, etc, only rose to such heights through hitler, I think that a lack of Hitler as an iconic figure in the NSDAP during the early 1930's would have turned the Nazi party into a fragmented minority.

The BVP and the SDP would have fought for a majority during these years, and after either would establish a government and the government would have eventually stablized itself.

Also saying that Stalin would have gone to war with Europe is silly. Russia wouldn't be capable of such a war until the 1940's, and by then Europe would be more than ready to crush any Russian offensive.

I also suspect that between 1930 and 1950 the war with Japan between the USA would not have happened since Japan got most of his military influence directly from nazi Germany--such as it's air force and a large part of it's oil and iron ore supplies--but I do suspect that Japan would conquer Manchuria still, but without it's german ally it would be hesitant on going beyond this. The USA would never have a WW2 incident though and would remain an isolationist nation for much longer. I even suspect the atomic bomb wouldn't come until later.

In other words, if Hitler died the world would have been a much more peaceful place all the way from Japan to the USA. His actions caused a ripple through the world and was a key to the development of the nuclear bomb, the entire second world war, the rise of imperialist Japan using war, the rise of the cold war, and the USA becoming a world military super power.

 

[xyourxmomxcorex]

Hitler was an extreme. HE was the reason why the NSDAP became so dominant. Would there be another? It isn´t impossible but very improbable. No, without him the NSDAP was lost and the KPD had no real chances to gain the power so that the Weimar Republic would have existed much longer.
A C&C Red Alert scenario, I mean Stalin would start ww2, would still be possible and propable.

Adler

The cold war would not be as tedious as it was. Nuclear Wepons probaly would never exist.