Immortal Sumerian game to critique and play along

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Okay need more immortal games to become better at the game.

If you wish to shadow game please make posts under spoilers.

I have played this up to around 335bc. Need to know where to go now. I also want to see what others would of done.

Basic game start info.

Spoiler :

Leader

UU

Map

Settings


 

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bah you know you shouldnt play something like 100 turns right away... where is the fun for us in it? :)

That said i would probably have SIPed... ivory would help with some early commerce and happy face. I dont see it as classic burea-cap site with those plains around, but very good production potential around.
 
Do note I recycled the images for leader and Unit.

So what i did first.

Spoiler :


Okay I settled on the ivory for the extra production.

I grew capital once i had finished a worker.

As i appeared to have an excess of empty land I teched masonry for great wall and built it.

I happily found a nice site with 2 gold and grabbed it. It was right next to the german capital.

I next found a copper city below my capital. having hooked it upand blocked off Germans I spammed vultures. I built 8-12 of them. It took 8 of them to ensure Berlin. Most Survived. I managed to to take/raze 3-4 of the german cities. For peace i took 3-4 techs from the germans including archy/sailing and 2 other basic techs.

Overall I am way behind the Incas in terms of techs and the Germans have suddenly got longbows. i do have 7-8 cities.




So what have I done wrong and what should i do next? be blunt and harsh as that is what I would have done. I would be interested to see how you all would play this.
 
you skipped all good fun discusiion where to settle?

bad bad guy

You can still discuss it. I merely wanted to get an opinion. Where would you of settled?:lol:
 
Settling either on the Phants or 1S would be best. 1S IMO would be better if Phants didn't unlock any resources in the BFC (not sure if it does or not, haven't checked) and if it unlocks 2 or more grassland riverside tiles.
 
For me the phant will knock off 5 turns from the first worker. From starting screen that was my logic. Was it the right move? That is for others to say.
 
50 Turns:

Spoiler :

Got really lucky and finished Pottery on turn 1! Settled 1S.



Worker first, then 3 Warriors, now on the 4th.

Game looks like a good cottage/Rex/GW type of game. Inca is to the south east, and I can block them from my landmass (I believe) with 2 cities. Germany is to the north, and I think I can block them with 2 cities as well. The one setback for this map from what I've seen so far is commerce, so I may have to cottage the capital even though I really want to farm it and make it a wonder-city.

Techpath was Pottery (Free) -> Mining -> Hunting -> Animal Husbandry -> Bronze Working.

Picture:



 
I tried this myself...

Spoiler :
I too settled on the phants. Made for a very rapidly growing and fast producing high-happiness capital. Yay.

The surrounding land... poop until Iron working, and wide open leaving myself vulnerable to barbarians. Most of the best early settling spots were too far off to risk settling so early so I considered my options.

I immediately ruled out a rush considering that my research rate was likely to be absurdly low given large area around me and that settling 3 cities before a catapult-less axe war is usually suicidal, even with vultures, and that my tech rate was liable to stink for a long time.

Given my surroundings, I teched hunting >> AH (starting with hunting mightn't have been the best move given what I discovered later, but seemed perfectly viable at first glance). This much seemed clear.

What to research next, however, depended on where I wanted to settle first. This was not clear to me; looking south, I saw a bunch of jungle, and, assuming it was trash, sent my warrior north to find a load of desert. :(. My warrior had to spend a lot of time healing to animals, and it took a while before I had a good look at the area (even considering this is epic...). I only picked up 1 hut (the one I got when I settled, a map :().

Not sure what to do, I figured mining was a decent choice no matter where I decided to go, so I took that next.

After a lot of staring at the map and attempting to come up with a dot map that would earn me a healthy amount of early commerce! because I needed pottery, writing, priesthood, and IW as fast as I could get them. I decided to settle on a close-by jungle hill to the south that could just sit on the corn and some cottages early on while I blocked off the best cities to the north and south. Needless to say, Freddie beat me to the gold spot (which mightn't have been the best 1st city anyway considering how far away it was...)

After deciding this, I set up a fog busting perimeter and immediately lost 3/4 of my initial warriors to barbarians despite having 92%, 67%, and 75% chances of winning respectively :mad:. This was the end of my fog busting perimeter. I was (somewhat stupidly in retrospect) too focused on bringing home pottery and bronze working to want to potentially waste early beakers on archery / masonry, and promptly a horde of barb archers came to raze all of my cottages, and seriously threatened to take Eridu, so I figured I was doomed.

There were some strategic holes in my playing, and some bad luck, but I do feel my reasoning was mostly valid.

 
I tried this myself...

Spoiler :
I too settled on the phants. Made for a very rapidly growing and fast producing high-happiness capital. Yay.

The surrounding land... poop until Iron working, and wide open leaving myself vulnerable to barbarians. Most of the best early settling spots were too far off to risk settling so early so I considered my options.

I immediately ruled out a rush considering that my research rate was likely to be absurdly low given large area around me and that settling 3 cities before a catapult-less axe war is usually suicidal, even with vultures, and that my tech rate was liable to stink for a long time.

Given my surroundings, I teched hunting >> AH (starting with hunting mightn't have been the best move given what I discovered later, but seemed perfectly viable at first glance). This much seemed clear.

What to research next, however, depended on where I wanted to settle first. This was not clear to me; looking south, I saw a bunch of jungle, and, assuming it was trash, sent my warrior north to find a load of desert. :(. My warrior had to spend a lot of time healing to animals, and it took a while before I had a good look at the area (even considering this is epic...). I only picked up 1 hut (the one I got when I settled, a map :().

Not sure what to do, I figured mining was a decent choice no matter where I decided to go, so I took that next.

After a lot of staring at the map and attempting to come up with a dot map that would earn me a healthy amount of early commerce! because I needed pottery, writing, priesthood, and IW as fast as I could get them. I decided to settle on a close-by jungle hill to the south that could just sit on the corn and some cottages early on while I blocked off the best cities to the north and south. Needless to say, Freddie beat me to the gold spot (which mightn't have been the best 1st city anyway considering how far away it was...)

After deciding this, I set up a fog busting perimeter and immediately lost 3/4 of my initial warriors to barbarians despite having 92%, 67%, and 75% chances of winning respectively :mad:. This was the end of my fog busting perimeter. I was (somewhat stupidly in retrospect) too focused on bringing home pottery and bronze working to want to potentially waste early beakers on archery / masonry, and promptly a horde of barb archers came to raze all of my cottages, and seriously threatened to take Eridu, so I figured I was doomed.

There were some strategic holes in my playing, and some bad luck, but I do feel my reasoning was mostly valid.


Spoiler :
I looked at save at start and struggled to find decent cities to settle. I saw the gold near the Germans and grabbed it taking the view the gold would pay for the city. I also took corn copper city.

I looked at the barb issue and just went masonry earlier and built great wall.

I do think the barbs are much heavier on immortal level than emperor.


I would be interested in your views how to take my game forward. Don't forget to vote on IC. ;)
 
omg holy continent wipe shizzle spazzaz
 
omg holy continent wipe shizzle spazzaz

So far the main advice on my save is the above. Is no one willing to critic my 335bc save? I am guessing early court houses (Ziggurts?) are a good idea?
 
I have played on to 190ad.

Spoiler :


Okay I had unhappiness in my German cities. I whipped out the ziggurts. I also set berlin to building the SW wonder.

The germans adopted Incas religion and eventually traded Aest/alphabet for col and sailing.

I have set up my second city now to run 3 gold. Nice lil city for commerce.

My capital is building great library.

Overall i have 7 cities and i am running about 90 beakers per turn. Heading towards CS or music next. Maybe music.

Incas have engineering/construction.

I stole feudalism from Germans using my points from great spy.

So what next? More cities? NE where? HE where? I really could of used a GS for philosophy.
 

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