Imperium Offtopicum V: Beta

Ok, so I know the map doesn't work on the OP, so here's the same map, let's see if this works any better.

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There we go. This version works perfectly. Joe, if you would be so kind as to copypasta this img to the OP :)
 
Notice: Claims are now closed. I am in the process of updating the map
 
Update #1​
1801​

Summary of Events: None

The Map - Brought to you by CivGenreal

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Army/Battles - Brought to you by Owen Glyndwr

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Tech/Income - Brought to you by taillesskangaru

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GM Notes

Alright, a couple things here.

1) Due to it only being the beta, I'm going to try and keep this as short as possible, and get them up as quickly as possible. That means I'm going to have to keep the summaries brief, so try and read the thread as much as possible.

2) From now on, post all your claims and income in the dedicated thread (the link is in the OP), that means the only stuff I should see in this thread should be RP and diplomacy. And speaking of which...

3) Now that diplomacy's starting, please read the rules regarding it, as we have changed some things from last time.

4) And finally, I'm going to say this again, this is the beta, the purpose of which is to test out all the new features to see if they work or not. That means, please, don't hesitate to fight one another, embargo each other, colonize, etc. We need to know if these new systems work, and the only way to do so is to try and not treat your neighbor as you would yourself.

Basically, go crazy :)


Also, I'll be updating the OP with everyone's countries by their names
 
Really? Did I forget to include them...? Let me check.

EDIT: Well that's embarrassing, I don't think we ever wrote them up. Let me make a quick thread in the group and get them laid out, so for now, No diplomacy until I get the new rules up. M'kay?
 
OOC: First off, this little article is supposed to apologize for the horrible thing I wrote last time, and to create numerous excerpt of books and poems and stories throughout.

Secondly, in war do you send battle orders, kept secret just to keep up suspense and for strat, to the big GM on top(Joe) or the battle GM(Owen)?

Tokyo's 2006 AP Serbian History Translated to English

First off, this is a real historian's manual to Serbia, not the Serbian The Modern's Historians Account of an Empire propaganda.

Secondly, this will not blanket the truth with broad general ideas and generalizations, forgetting major issues, and only seeing some broad view that simply is not the truth. And with that, the we begin.

First off, Serbia was not some Grand Empire at the beginning, nor was it some one entity under Maximilian I. From its roots of civil war, with warlords, and occasional small nations under a council of warlords, and its shadow plays of the court, Serbia, a small country, was born. Here is a map generally regarded as accurate as history can attest to for the situation in 1742.

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{OOC: Still can't find the cut tool in paint(:mad:), so just the area in Greece and such marked with a black circle is relevant.}

The Byzantine "Empire" in yellow was a decaying monarch holding only on to Constantinople, a city now wrecked by war and by disuse, and its war-torn areas farther out. For as long as the ages of medieval kings and knights, the Seljuq Turks, now just roving war bands in Turkey, as opposed to the legitimated power they once were. Indeed, the map gives too much credit to them, and if it was not for the Byzantine's weakness, all of Turkey could be theirs. For truth, many of the families in Turkey pledged allegiance to Byzantine, not to the Seljuq Turks, and the Turks were merely war bands at this point, wreaking Byzantine even more so.

The Light Blue is oft recalled as the Greek Confederacy, a series of city states in the Southern Greek peninsula who traded, fought, and acted as a power in the region, but whos scope was limited to Greece, Turkey, Syria, and Egypt. The Confederacy never had a central ruler, weakening the potential powerhouse, and keeping it in the cities and in the area. War with the Byzantines, as well with Serbia bove, was common however despite the lack of a single army entity.

Yugoslavia in pink was a minor power held on by the genius diplomacy and war tactics of their monarchies, one after one. Indeed, the lack of a Nero was very fortuitous for the Yugoslavian's, who beat back a combined Serbia-Byzantine-Macedon attack in 1706 by sheer genius of use of artillery in the field, and massacres of the enemies while sitting on hills. Macedon is light purple is an ally of Serbia and Byzantine, and is in a near constant state of battle with Yugoslavia, in which it currently is losing, having lost the the coastal area south of their current holdings in the spring of last year.

Serbia in brown is a traditional ally of the Byzantine in the wars against Macedon and Yugoslavia, and the first power in the region that could be considered without a doubt a strong nation state. The monarch of Serbia at the time however was a weak, incompetent leader and general, that led to many complications in the near future.

The three northern countries, from left to right, Croatia, Hungary, Romania, were largely neutral in the conflict of the rest, except for minor skirmishes with the Serbian-Macedon-Byzantines thus far. The alliances of this point are a strong Serbia-Byzantine, with Macedon currently friendly with both, with Macedon losing a war against Yugoslavia currently. The Greeks are neutral in the conflict as of now, as well as Croatia, Hungary, and Romania. The Turks are a non-entity.

A series of events that could only be considered the rarest of the rarest however changed the fragile balance of the peninsula forever.

OOC: That kinda went off in a direction I'm not sure I'll peruse. Whatever.
 
The byzantine empire was destroyed 3 centuries before that.
 
Notice that the Turks are a minor power. The idea is that the Sejiuk Turks were not as successful in OTL in Turkey, a minor power, but was not crushed when they did in OTL. Basically didn't rise as much, but didn't fall either, allowing for Byzantine to not be kicked in the cellar by the Ottomans, who formed from the Ghazi emirantes, led by the person traditionally called the founder of the Ottomans, Osman I.

So it could happen. Notice just how weak Byzantine is though, not being even to take out the weak, barely existing Seijuk Turks in Turkey. I do know that there is probably cultural boundaries in the map, probably screwed up some history and probably making some really bad logic guesses.(For example, no big Seljuq Empire, the First Crusade might have been a lot different, leading perhaps to something else, and so on), but a lot of it is based on alt-history, which I think is fine considering there is no player in the Turkey region.

Up to the GMs to decide. If they are alright with what I'm doing, I'll keep doing it. And its keeping me entertained in update 1.
 
The Kingdom of Morocco is opening up dialog with other Mediteranian countries for free trade, so who's in?
 
Alright, a quick update.

We're still working out some kinks with the diplomacy, but it should be ready by tomorrow (if not, I'll tell you guys).

I really want to thank you guys for being so patient with us, this is really a work in progress, and well, I don't think that "thanks" will really make up for all this time I've kept you guys waiting.

So instead, two things:

1) I'll make the first turn longer, instead of the usual 2 days, I'll give you guys 4 (more diplomacy and RP then :D)

2) I thought I'd give you guys some news regarding the new diplomacy rules that should make you very happy, from now on, there are no limits. :)
 
Notice that the Turks are a minor power. The idea is that the Sejiuk Turks were not as successful in OTL in Turkey, a minor power, but was not crushed when they did in OTL. Basically didn't rise as much, but didn't fall either, allowing for Byzantine to not be kicked in the cellar by the Ottomans, who formed from the Ghazi emirantes, led by the person traditionally called the founder of the Ottomans, Osman I.

a weak, barely existing Byzantium in 1800s?

i approve. at least they lasted longer. keep it up :goodjob:

why, hoever, does it hold random land in africa?
 
Thats another country, math....

with the same yellow color? the best excuse i could come up with si that Byzantium for whatever reason conquered carthage and surrounding areas.
 
with the same yellow color? the best excuse i could come up with si that Byzantium for whatever reason conquered carthage and surrounding areas.

There's a difference. Africa is on the official map. Cull's alt-hist is only pseudo-official. In-game it's not officially recognized.
 
Yeah, its building up to the "current" day of the game, 1800. All this stuff is set in the 1700s. Only pay attention to the area with a black circle around it.
 
Alright, new diplo rules in the OP. The game can continue now :D

Remember, as my gift to you for waiting so long, you get an extension on this turn, 4 days instead of 2. So go crazy with the new diplomacy :goodjob:

Also, if you have any suggestions to improve the game whatsoever, don't be afraid to speak up.
 
(OOC: While there's no limits on treaties anymore, there is still a limit on how many trade agreements you can have, right, so as to prevent massive trading + income spam?)

Trade Agreements

Riccio would like to offer Serbia a trade agreement. Given the proximity of both nations, it is important that good relations be established.

Riccio also politely reminds Morocco to confirm that a trade agreement exists between our Mediterranean nations. (OOC: in the Claims and Income thread, of course)

Alliances:

Riccio would like an alliance with the Habsburg Empire. Brotherly relations will allow us to prevent border disputes that could erupt over the exact boundaries of Italy and Germany. It is important this be addressed, given that Riccio desires more of the Italian peninsula, and Austria likely desires Germany. We can both benefit from an arrangement accordingly.

Failing that, good relations will still be desirable.

Non-Aggression Pact:

We are willing to sign with any nation, given that war is detrimental to commerce.
 
To: Riccio
From: King of Serbia, Rule of Macedon, Kosovo, Greece, Istanbul, Athens, Sparta, Ankara, Protector of the Faith, Slayer of the Bulgarians, Destroyer of the Rebellion, His Royal Highness, Maximilian II


Such a trade agreement, to bring the riches of the East with those of Italy is an idea worthy of respect. I shall sign this agreement, and may it last only as long as our Empire Under Our Holy Father.

To: The Empire of Hasburg
From: King of Serbia, Rule of Macedon, Kosovo, Greece, Istanbul, Athens, Sparta, Ankara, Protector of the Faith, Slayer of the Bulgarians, Destroyer of the Rebellion, His Royal Highness, Maximilian II

We ask of our brother, tied together in history, since the ages long past, to work together, and to set aside our difference. Together, a Holy Empire divided into the mortal realms of Serbia and Hasburg can be created, a Fourth Rome.

What shall I call you, brother king? Or should all diplomacy be addressed simply to Hasburg?

To: Constantinople

Even now, the Turks come in their Hordes, trying to break down upon you. A new power in the West has emerged, Serbia from all this rubble. Long have you shed any overlord, but joining in hands together would tie the power of Serbia in the world stage and the grandeur of Constantinople in one stroke, protecting you from the Turks, the pirates, and being on the winning side, Serbia.

OOC: Last bit for RP only. :)
 
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