Imperium OffTopicum XIV

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OOC: Ok people, if this continues like this, I'll drop the game. (although I know some of you can be happy about that).
I'm tired of people describing MY nation. Tired of people rejecting what I say about MY country according to RC stats, even to the point of denying its own existence. Tired of people blatantly inventing on a few lines a contradiction from what I've been saying during two months, and from what I said on my intro post, that, mind me, took some effort to draw, write and imagine. All for you to reduce facts to nothing and put your opinions above with not a single shred of shame or remorse. I'm tired of describing something, how and why in 30 lines and then someone come up and say with some idiotic sarcasm of one line that what I say is not true.

I came to IOT forum eager to participate in what seemed a very cool political simulation game, knowing I would give up much of precious time, but what I've found out is a shell like closed community that only respects people that have being playing for years. Well so be it.

No, no, no.
  1. You start as a nation and complain when the rules don't make it easy for you.
  2. You powergame so much you make Old Mathalmus and Old Christos look like well-behaved players.
  3. You tick everyone off with your constant stance that you're the only one allowed to claim in the pacific because REASONS
  4. you completely misunderstand the culture of Polynesia, Hawaii and everything in between just so your nation works
  5. you completely fail to understand geopolitics
  6. If we were a closed society reus would be kicked out right now

And examples of this powergaming?
  1. Apparently Nauru is Marysuetopia because nothing is ever wrong
  2. It's also more fortified than a Swiss bunker which is extremely difficult considering Swiss bunkers are carved into mountains
  3. Apparently you are Bermudia, but not bermudia because obviously bermudia is a third-world hellhole
  4. oh and since when do polynesians have any claims to Kamchatka

Don't tell me you're the victim here.
 
Everything I write I do it according to the story I wrote on my intro post.
Read it, tell me what is not believable and I may change it. To me, atm everything there is plausible.

no nation would ever give up sacred artwork to anyone. even for safekeeping. so, that, and everything after that is completely unrealistic.
 
I came to IOT forum eager to participate in what seemed a very cool political simulation game, knowing I would give up much of precious time, but what I've found out is a shell like closed community that only respects people that have being playing for years. Well so be it.

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I'm here for only about 3 months ago and I quickly feel comfortable with the community in less than a month. The community is certainly not the problem, I find them very open and welcoming to new players.

The only problem here is that you have made extraordinary claims about your country's capabilities, and therefore other players/nations have rightfully questioned and criticized your basis for those claims. All of their critics are within IC reasoning, and not because you are new to the community.
 
If were going to considerate the artwork nato operation unrealistic to bash at me, then we might as well close the bar because a global taking place only 50 years from now where europe and america, accounting for more than 60% world's gdp, would fall into ruin against 'some opponent' we don't know, but apparently East Asia was better off (!) than the nato and allies at the end of the conflict, that is funny talk compared to Nauru. No to talk of that even more extreme case of some Byzantine Emperor reigning over a region that during nearly 700 years in the past was Turkey. So much for rambling about ethnicities. Or building a republic in Corea not named Corea. Or that france state, dominated by women (that writing was stupendous but the way), etc. etc. etc. Or the spawning of nearly 15 nations on a single year and the subsequent doubling or tripling their size in months.
Are we still going to bash about irrealisticness?
Starting from the point of the artwork ops, the story of Nauru is more than plausible.
Also: I never said I was the only having the right to colonize the pacific coasts.
And the territory in Kamchatka was for simulating infrastructure for a future opening of the north passage, nothing more. But if I have the Aleutians, it is not vital.
And point 5 is not true until you have some evidence and examples.
EDIT: I accept Reus commentary. I was just angry at that moment.
 
I came to IOT forum eager to participate in what seemed a very cool political simulation game, knowing I would give up much of precious time, but what I've found out is a shell like closed community that only respects people that have being playing for years. Well so be it.

This is true. Reus, Bair, both of you get on out of here.


If were going to considerate the artwork nato operation unrealistic to bash at me, then we might as well close the bar because a global taking place only 50 years from now where europe and america, accounting for more than 60% world's gdp, would fall into ruin against 'some opponent' we don't know, but apparently East Asia was better off (!) than the nato and allies at the end of the conflict, that is funny talk compared to Nauru.

This isn't even a sentence.

Most of the islands in the Pacific aren't NATO allies. They're NATO bases. They exist solely to be aircraft carriers.

If they were even in NATO in the first place.

Again, you have a bizarre view of the game's history, disregard that a little under a century passed since the PoD, and ignored the GM's statements regarding how untouched various regions of the world were.

No to talk of that even more extreme case of some Byzantine Emperor reigning over a region that during nearly 700 years in the past was Turkey.

Greco-Turkish Emperor. Nice try.

So much for rambling about ethnicities. Or building a republic in Corea not named Corea. Or that france state, dominated by women (that writing was stupendous but the way), etc. etc. etc. Or the spawning of nearly 15 nations on a single year and the subsequent doubling or tripling their size in months.

Texarkana existed since the 2040's. None of these countries "popped" into existence.


Are we still going to bash about irrealisticness?

Yes. Especially when it comes to powergaming the existence of a hundred thousand apparently military-capable ships for a population of six million people. Realistically, you can bring 300,000 troops under arms maximum for all three branches of your military before having extremely significant issues. Three hundred thousand soldiers with a hundred thousand ships means three people per ship.


Starting from the point of the artwork ops, the story of Nauru is more than plausible.

No. No it isn't. Please find a country that has sustain itself purely on the selling of artwork.

But if I have the Aleutians, it is not vital.

No you don't. Aleutians are American, and you will withdraw when the GEAR-PAU naval task forces arrive to deal with Oceania.

GEAR-PAU, of course, outnumbering Oceania in every possible category of national measurements, from population to soldiers under arms to actual military ships to artillery, guns, bullets, bombers, fighters, etc.

So, it really doesn't matter. The powergaming, the weird stats, etc. Because Oceania won't exist outside an island or two once the timeskip is finished.
 
In these 100 pages, people have filled texts about peace-talking. Will no one do nothing about it, now that war wants to come by some? Now that some nations become tyrannical and aggressive?
Nope, sorry. Robbie killed the UN. No God, everything's permitted, &c.

a UN style body... which currently does not exist.
I'd draw up a formal charter for Robbie, but I'm still hella busy for the rest of the week.
 
oh, before i forget: the one thing the Roman Empire will do is Raid Nauru, to recover the stolen artwork.

and then shell and/or bombard it.

otherwise, everything is unchanged.
 
oh, before i forget: the one thing the Roman Empire will do is Raid Nauru, to recover the stolen artwork.

Don't bother, it's counterfeit.
The last thing that mattered in the resurgence of society was art, so they couldn't have made money from legitimate artwork.

Currently, art is still at the back of the priority list (as it always was) so the only way they could have made profit is to either manufacture large numbers of artwork or steal, but since nobody reported major art thefts in the past century and since Oceania wasn't a thing until recently, stealing is out of the question. Still, since they are still irrelevant, making profit of counterfeit artwork isn't a choice either.
The GEAR has already infiltrated investigators.
 
Counterfeiting would at least offer employment, since selling off a stockpile doesn't really lend itself to mass employment.
 
Don't bother, it's counterfeit.
The last thing that mattered in the resurgence of society was art, so they couldn't have made money from legitimate artwork.

Currently, art is still at the back of the priority list (as it always was) so the only way they could have made profit is to either manufacture large numbers of artwork or steal, but since nobody reported major art thefts in the past century and since Oceania wasn't a thing until recently, stealing is out of the question. Still, since they are still irrelevant, making profit of counterfeit artwork isn't a choice either.
The GEAR has already infiltrated investigators.

ok good point. the Roman Navy will just blockade the island.
 
Yeah don't update yet either, i need to change my orders.
 
OOC: So, big newz.
As I said earlier, I am tired of people throwing out the ground my explanations of how my country is and replacing them with theories which have no validity whatsoever.
One respectable thing is saying that I'm power gaming, which is debatable and I'm sure that a face to face discussion would make this argument finished (but as we live 1000s of kilometers away from each other it will be no surprise to you when I tell you that this cannot happen). To, having me said: A is true, say that A is not true.
An completely different thing is to say A is not true, but furthermore, B is true.

You are entering in my country, you have no right to describe it. Things like "we found that it is slightly fortified and built up somewhat in the interior, but that's it." should get shame points.
First point. Second point. When I said that IOT community was somewhat disrespectful sometimes to me I haven't being lying. The vast majority of the people here have been excellent. But I am pissed off at the treatment I have received by some. How the hell Math could go all over to Oceania with some boats to try to 'blockade' me? He doesn't have any business there whatsoever. He would gain nothing at it, and he has just trying to molest. The tone of Bair The Normal to me since the beginning ,since before all the escalation, mind you, has been rude, arrogant, distant, childish and unrespectful, specially in PMs. And Robert Can't, omg, he is the gm, I wouldn't receive not a word from him. I have written a couple of PMs and he wouldn't respond to no one. Writing a message costs time and this is humiliating. I was in the university in class monday (I have afternoon class schedule) with my computer at the side, and now and then I would refresh RC's page to see if he was connected. He was all afternoon at the forums. I had wrote a PM and also in his wall. He couldn't have not seen it. And it was not the first time, as three weeks earlier something of that sort happened but I wanted to believe it had been unintentional. His position during all the game has been arbitrarily against me, although I have never said a word against him, neither in public nor in private.

Third point, clarification. Once again, Sonoreal,
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Yes. Especially when it comes to powergaming the existence of a hundred thousand apparently military-capable ships for a population of six million people. Realistically, you can bring 300,000 troops under arms maximum for all three branches of your military before having extremely significant issues. Three hundred thousand soldiers with a hundred thousand ships means three people per ship.
. Seriously??? I think you haven't read a F***ING SINGLE WORD of what I posted in the past.
Fourth point. Everyone has been bashing at how the story of Nauru has been irrealistic, but no one has ever said "this single part" on the intro post. No one has said in 'what exactly'. Due to my comparisons of my excessive irrealisticness of my countries' history to the ones of France, Gangnam, Byzantines, etc. I was told that while the formation of those countries was permitted to be irrealistic, it was the countries evolution that needs to keep itself real. A claim 100% valid and I support it. But if every single post I've done remits itself to the story of my intro post, wouldn't that make me legit? Erm, yes.

Fifth point. All the claims in the arctic I claimed them for roleplaying to habilitate the northern passage. Since the GEAR and the UAR, nations that would have been most benefited by its existence, have behaved doglike furious to this, what I would do now is reject them completely and start colonizing South America, which is more beneficial for me in terms of gameplay. Goodbye, rp.

Sixth point. I am pissed of too at those reactions. The GEAR from the beginning has acted as he had more right to claim to siberian tip than me, which is not true, to the point where they have considered invaded my entire country because of it. Also, after colonizing half Siberia, they want to go after Jehoshua for having claim one bit of Xinjiang. Way to go.

Seventh point. I give a shiat of all of this actually from now on, since I'm uniting my nation with TerranEmperor, as a minor. The new nation will be called Pacifica. Oceania will disbandle and enter as different regions (like Victoria or Queensland), which are to be Micronesia (with capital in Nauru), Melanesia, Polynesia, and Outer Pacific, which encompasses Hawaii and all the islands, like Galapagos, which don't from part of the first three regions. The humanity art collection will be kept at Nauru, as the installations are already there. The capital will remain at Australia. I will post from now on as part of that nation, always according to what TerranEmperor believes. If I post. TerranEmperor will claim a map with our claims.

Eight point. The simulation consists on that me after colonizing all the Pacific I come to the north and enter in conflict with UAR and GEAR. In peril of disappearing I unite with Australia. So, the number of claims is not merged into one nation for the five year gap.

Ninth point. Why? I was already considering doing this before all the racket. University exams are coming soon, and although a lot of you are a bunch of school kids, you know it's hard work. I have scholarship so if I fail goodbye college. This ultimate situation has been a factor on doing this. Maybe I come back in IOT15, since it's a fun game, and play a normal nation, like Aragon or something.

Tenth point. Wow! Such long. Sorry for the extreme post.
 
How the hell Math could go all over to Oceania with some boats to try to 'blockade' me? He doesn't have any business there whatsoever. He would gain nothing at it, and he has just trying to molest.

the point was to make you accept realistic statistics of your country. you had ample time to look up Cypriot military capabilities, switch around the army and navy numbers, and have around 12 destroyers as a baseline. this is your fault, for not going with it.

Fifth point. All the claims in the arctic I claimed them for roleplaying to habilitate the northern passage. Since the GEAR and the UAR, nations that would have been most benefited by its existence, have behaved doglike furious to this, what I would do now is reject them completely and start colonizing South America

might want to ask Malta. and they might say no.

Sixth point. I am pissed of too at those reactions. The GEAR from the beginning has acted as he had more right to claim to siberian tip than me, which is not true, to the point where they have considered invaded my entire country because of it. Also, after colonizing half Siberia, they want to go after Jehoshua for having claim one bit of Xinjiang. Way to go.

they are in the best position to claim siberia, and have the means to exploit it. i say GEAR should take it.

The humanity art collection will be kept at Nauru, as the installations are already there.

drop this. or the Roman Empire will take offense to some of OUR art being hidden at some worthless rock rather than Constantinople. this is not negotiable.
 
I started responding, but since I'm not Sonoreal, and only Sonoreal should reply to that post, I won't reply for him.

Whoever he is.
 
I started responding, but since I'm not Sonoreal, and only Sonoreal should reply to that post, I won't reply for him.

Whoever he is.
Ok….

Mathalamus:

The point was to make you accept realistic statistics of your country. you had ample time to look up Cypriot military capabilities, switch around the army and navy numbers, and have around 12 destroyers as a baseline. this is your fault, for not going with it.


How can compare a country of 1 million to a country of 6? Your comparison of Cyprus, even if my intro post story wasn't real, undervalues my country way too much. But again, I don't care anymore.


might want to ask Malta. and they might say no.

Implying ALL the provinces of south america, which would require quite a lot of turns to fill up, are intrinsically part of a nation based on an island of Europe.

they are in the best position to claim siberia, and have the means to exploit it. i say GEAR should take it.

That doesn't give me a lesser right to colonize a blank province. On this line, only the most advanced nation on the world has then the right to conquer it, and all the other nations should subdue to it.

drop this. or the Roman Empire will take offense to some of OUR art being hidden at some worthless rock rather than Constantinople. this is not negotiable.
The country, Turkey, part of NATO, that existed on the soil of what is now an anachronistic 'empire' decided to give away the works of art that would be otherwise destroyed for ever. The Artwork Supervising Society of Nauru has taken care of these works during more than 50 years, keeping them in adequate conditions and providing they don't take any damage. We expect a legitimate price to sell them for our service. Remember we do have a special discount for political entities ,instead of private collectors, who are our basic clients, who want to refill their national museums of their artwork of their past.
 
might want to ask Malta. and they might say no.

Implying ALL the provinces of south america, which would require quite a lot of turns to fill up, are intrinsically part of a nation based on an island of Europe.

Mech's starting claims included parts of Argentina and most of the order is based there.
 
You don't say?
The UAR won't declare war on Indo-Persia, Indonesia will not declare war on Malacca, France will not declare was to Germany,etc. Even though they are neighbors. Obvious thing is obvious.
If I started settling Venezuela he wouldn't arrive there until 15 turns or more so quit the rambling people.
That being said, I do not control anymore where Pacifica is going to settle.
 
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