Imperium OffTopicum XIV

[Thorvald of Lym]

108 750 ships

This is not power gaming.

 

[eduhum]

People in Oceania use boats as cars for obvious reasons. I have said this already in the past. In that list counted there are also ships small as yachts (maybe I should have said it to clarify because indeed the number could surprise).

 

[KaiserElectric]

Civilian vessels =/= naval forces

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

The UAR seems to forget that each and every Oceanian citizen owns a supercarrier, and that they all run on magical fuel siphoned from their grand national pride.

 

[eduhum]

The tyrants that have said things like Oceania doesn't even exist or that they are able to mount cities, roads, pipes, etc in a year, in a place where 5 months its -50ºC and 3 months its a swamp with a poor country, administratively 4 years old, have no moral authority to say that what I do is power gaming. This, or when they don't have anything try to look intelligent and pull out some sarcasm.
From the beginning I have tried always to be realistic when I described my nation, unlike you.
The main source of income of Oceania has been always the selling of artwork, during 50 years. And as I said in my intro post, in Nauru there exist dozens of storages that are full not only of art but also of natural resources.
So at the end my manpower is realistic, my ship numbers are realistic, my resources and wealth are realistic, and you are only capable of vomit irony.
The civilian forces are planned to move on the offensive as nearly every citizen is armed with his own weapons (as the rest of the world), being enemy navies incapable of intercepting thousands of small ships at a time, to attack enemy coasts, if war broke out (let's hope not). Also, to facility communication and logistics between our islands, as well as using guerrilla tactics on sea, when the case exists. Of course, never to fight face to face to enemy military navies, that logically is the task of our military navy.

One thing clear, though. I do not want war, once again. If there is war, it will them who will have started it, and they can put all their peace declarations in their a$$.
But anyways, if the remote possibility of war happened, it would be in the next turn. I think everybody has already posted their 5 year claims, and hard lock should come soon. Is it possible to know when will the next update be?

 

[Mosher]

The tyrants that have said things like Oceania doesn't even exist or that they are able to mount cities, roads, pipes, etc in a year, in a place where 5 months its -50ºC and 3 months its a swamp with a poor country, administratively 4 years old, have no moral authority to say that what I do is power gaming. This, or when they don't have anything try to look intelligent and pull out some sarcasm.
From the beginning I have tried always to be realistic when I described my nation, unlike you.
The main source of income of Oceania has been always the selling of artwork, during 50 years. And as I said in my intro post, in Nauru there exist dozens of storages that are full not only of art but also of natural resources.
So at the end my manpower is realistic, my ship numbers are realistic, my resources and wealth are realistic, and you are only capable of vomit irony.
The civilian forces are planned to move on the offensive as nearly every citizen is armed with his own weapons (as the rest of the world), being enemy navies incapable of intercepting thousands of small ships at a time, to attack enemy coasts, if war broke out (let's hope not). Also, to facility communication and logistics between our islands, as well as using guerrilla tactics on sea, when the case exists. Of course, never to fight face to face to enemy military navies, that logically is the task of our military navy.

One thing clear, though. I do not want war, once again. If there is war, it will them who will have started it, and they can put all their peace declarations in their a$$.
But anyways, if the remote possibility of war happened, it would be in the next turn. I think everybody has already posted their 5 year claims, and hard lock should come soon. Is it possible to know when will the next update be?

I'm sorry as I haven't followed much of what's been happening in Oceania lately, but what exactly powers the 100,000 something civilian ships? What are they eating and drinking out on the open ocean? Where are they getting the ammunition to feed their weapons? Where are you acquiring the materials to make those weapons and feed them from a few outcroppings of rock that you call the Oceanic homeland? How are you coordinating the entire population of a country, and how exactly are you getting 6 million people to agree on anything?

And how in the hell do you fill a nation's coffers by selling art?

 

[Sonereal]

>realistic
>economy based on selling artwork
>guerilla naval warfare
>100000 ships no fuel complete embargo
>my sides astronomical

 

[Robert Can't]

Not supporting in any way, but I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to create large Algae farms in Oceania owing to the fact that the se- OHWAIT poison sea, forgot about that.

Also, I'm going to be compiling the update over the next couple of days so stay posted in order to make sure things you want to happen happen.

 

[eduhum]

I'm sorry as I haven't followed much of what's been happening in Oceania lately, but what exactly powers the 100,000 something civilian ships? What are they eating and drinking out on the open ocean? Where are they getting the ammunition to feed their weapons? Where are you acquiring the materials to make those weapons and feed them from a few outcroppings of rock that you call the Oceanic homeland? How are you coordinating the entire population of a country, and how exactly are you getting 6 million people to agree on anything?

And how in the hell do you fill a nation's coffers by selling art?

So many questions I thought I already answered.
Fuel, ammo, materials, food and water for the ocean, etc. are stored in mass in Nauru. For more info, check this awesome story.
About food and water inland, well, in real life that many people, or more, live without problems of that sort in those islands.
And getting people to agree on something is easy when your nation is at risk of being invaded. You forget that while most countries in this aftermath are completely new, Nauru in the outskirts of the world was nearly the only place left untouched in the cataclysmic war.
Also, as I said before, between 100000 ships and up to 100000 potentially there is a big difference. Those ships exist, but coordinate them at the same time, really difficult.

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

You forget that while most countries in this aftermath are completely new, China in the outskirts of the world was nearly the only place left untouched in the cataclysmic war.

ftfy.

 

[Sonereal]

All of this could be explained by saying the Oceanic warlords drink salt water.

 

[eduhum]

ftfy.

You are basically saying that the second most powerful country in the world in terms of GDP, or the first, depending on at what exact year the 'big war' happened, sometime around mid 21st century, would not have a big part of it but also would declare a complete neutrality, and wouldn't suffer all the global economic, social and political consequences.
Wow. And you complain about me being irrealistic?
End of cfc for today (to me)

 

[Mosher]

So many questions I thought I already answered.
Fuel, ammo, materials, food and water for the ocean, etc. are stored in mass in Nauru. For more info, check this awesome story.
About food and water inland, well, in real life that many people, or more, live without problems of that sort in those islands.
And getting people to agree on something is easy when your nation is at risk of being invaded. You forget that while most countries in this aftermath are completely new, Nauru in the outskirts of the world was nearly the only place left untouched in the cataclysmic war.
Also, as I said before, between 100000 ships and up to 100000 potentially there is a big difference. Those ships exist, but coordinate them at the same time, really difficult.

You cannot store enough fuel, ammo, food, and water for 6 million people in one city that would last them any significant length of time.

Getting 6 million people to agree on anything is impossible. You can't convince 6 million of them to risk their lives by trying to canoe to America with a musket and a few tin cans to fight for a government, especially when many of them are from different ethnic groups.

 

[Robert Can't]

Somehow the poisonous ocean had a greater effect on Island nations than China... Unrealistic much.

Also China probably lost the largest proportion of its population going from a couple of billion to a couple of hundred million. And yes it was less so a victim than other combatants. Our historians are still considering that (i.e Spoilers lie ahead)

 

[Bair_the_Normal]

You are basically saying that the second most powerful country in the world in terms of GDP, or the first, depending on at what exact year the 'big war' happened, sometime around mid 21st century, would not have a big part of it but also would declare a complete neutrality, and wouldn't suffer all the global economic, social and political consequences.
Wow. And you complain about me being irrealistic?
End of cfc for today

The Rise of East Asia

The phenomenon of massive growth in East Asia, being referred to by analysts as The Rise of East Asia is believed to have been made possible by their large population of survivors and that their industry remained relatively undamaged during the bad years. Whereas the coasts of the Americas were bombarded with nuclear weapons and plague and chaos ravaged Europe, East Asia fell victim to a much cleaner fate with much of its key facilities left undamaged.

*ahem*

EDIT: I also fail to see where irrealism comes into play.

 

[Mathalamus]

Eduhum, why are you going down the Old Mathalamus route? it never ends well.

 

[JohannaK]

Eduhum, why are you going down the Old Mathalamus route? it never ends well.

That, sir, is a fantastic way renegate of a dark past to cast its shadow on someone else.

 

[TheGryphonPrince]

After analyzing the land, the Indo-Persian government has decided to add a second route that they consider it more safe than the route through Thailand. The route will pass through Nepal and have as checkpoint Chengdu before merging back with the original Asian Road.

(I hope you are happy Bair)

Speaking of the subject of expansions to the Asian road, it is certainly acceptable. However, petitions for such a thing must be sent to the newly-formed Eurasia Connected company, which is currently living under Indo-Persian subsidies.

In addition, the Eurasia Connected company will implement fees for cargo passing through Indo-Persia in order to help the maintainance of the road. It gives permission to the other nations to install tariffs of at much 9% and in addition, if they choose to use tariffs on the trafic it will, in addition impose that at least 10% of the money collected by the road goes directly to the company in order to help sustaining the road.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

*ahem*

I think he means this magical mystical As-You-Know World War.

...which apparently is bad enough to mass-murder China, yet won't change the map?

 

[Mathalamus]

the Roman Emperor, tired of all the claims from Oceania, decides to send the Roman Flagship, the Destroyer Konstantinos, with Emperor Theodoros I Komnenos on board, sets course directly to Nauru, to impose a blockade of the island.

the blockade will end only when Oceania normalizes their national claims. all of them. including military size, people, GDP, and so on.