Imperium OffTopicum XIV

[eduhum]

So you are suggesting that we let psychotic criminals go free because bad things sometimes happened to them? We respect that Oceania is bringing attention to the crimes perpetrated against the Japanese, but their implication that it forgives the Japanese of their own misdeeds is troubling.

You are taking your own conclusions from my speech. If you reread it you will notice quite easily that I don't condone japanese actions. What I said is that those who accuse Japan of being 'evildoer' are see the straw in the brother's eye and not the rafter in their own.

Also, bad things happened? You mean that the gas simple fell out from the sky?

 

[Ailedhoo]

Lurker Comment: forgive me for this interruption... but has a offical investigation began to determine whether or not the gas was by the UN, Japan in a last ditch effort to give the UN a Pyrrhic victory or a third party that shared little love for either faction?

 

[Civ'ed]

insult the Roman Leadership again, and we will be a lot less kind to you. this is your only warning.

anyway, the Roman Empire is providing peace keeping missions to the UAC, so it doesn't fall into civil war, and organize a stable government according to the UAC peoples wishes. after that, we will leave. it should take only a season... i already explained all that earlier...

In the real world, Germany could eliminate Rome without batting an eye.
And on the subject of peacekeeping, "it should only take a season" isone of those statements that never ends up being true. Let the African Federation keep peace in africa.

 

[Robert Can't]

"It'll be over by Christmas" as they say.

I am here to confirm that as of yet no perpetrator has been found for the chemical and biological attacks on Japan.
I shall also confirm that Rome does not (by its own admitting) have the armed forces suitable for a full scale war with Germany nor I imagine does it have the military to be the sole upholder of peace in the UAC.


GM NOTICE

Also at some point I'm intending to do a complete reboot of the stats. The reason being that in their current form they are based on the fact that in the beginning all nations started out with the same score. As the game has developed this is now skewing things quite considerably.
I'm worried however that some of you may see my manipulation of the stats to something more representative as a horrible move that destroys the fairness of the game.
I do not see it this way and would be open to your opinions and suggestions.

 

[Tyo]

Go for it. I am a strong believer in the word of the GM and besides, I want to really know how developed Russia is because I still only have a really really general understanding.

To: Rome
From: Russia

Being that Rome is effectively, although reluctantly, part of the Russian sphere of influence (given that Rome's military and economic situation is still appalling and to be honest it exists because we allow it for now) we demand that Rome cease it's plastic sabre rattling. Rome is not anywhere close to relevant in Africa and simply does not have the military to watch over a significant amount of foreign people halfway across the globe. You would be doing this at the expense of your economy which is already plagued by your poor budget plan. As a nation that exists for the workers of the world, we already have a difficult time letting your monarchy exist. If you're going to strain the workers of Rome even more, we're going to have an even more difficult time continuing to do so.

 

[christos200]

The Japanese offensive is at a stand-still and its domestic situation is in total crisis. Tokyo must recognize that it has lost this war. The allied coalition has no interest in incurring further loss of life, particularly in the wake of the Japanese home atrocity, and so urges Tokyo, for the sake of peace and the welfare of its impoverished citizens, to immediately agree to the following treaty:

• The Government of Japan formally and unconditionally surrenders to the Allied Forces of China, Malaccan Federation, United Arab Republic, Gangnam Republic, Ireland, and Indo-Persian Kingdom;
• Japan agrees to withdraw from China, Taiwan and Luzon and rescind any claims to sovereignty over these territories;
• The present Government of Japan agrees to step down and submit itself to the International Criminal Tribunal for East Asia;
• The Japanese Military will disband and its senior officers submit themselves to the International Criminal Tribunal for East Asia;
• An Allied Occupation Force shall assume responsibility for all governmental affairs and oversee the return to peaceful local government;
• Japanese research into weapons of mass destruction will be turned over to Allied authorities, and manufacturing facilities dismantled;
• The ad-hoc practice of slavery within Japan will be immediately abolished.

Japan refuses this offer and shall continue the war until the very last man.

 

[christos200]

Japan is losing on all fronts. Surely the supposedly proud and wise emperor can at least see that.

OOC: I know that Japan will lose eventually, but, since you refused my peace terms, I will make sure that my defeat will be as bloody and costly as possible and that I will wreck as much destruction as possible. I want to make the UN victory so Pyrrhic, that the losses will outweigh by far any possible gains.

 

[Sonereal]

Texarks will get orders in tonight.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

Far as I know the stats weren't kept up-to-date anyway, so go for it, Robbie.

How can these countries impose a treaty like that on Japan based on that Japan is the Sauron of the game when they have caused 20 million deaths by gas?
That crime alone is far worse than all the atrocities committed by the Japanese. If any country should respond by its actions, it should now be the author of the gas attacks.
So much hypocrisy.

I don't suppose Oceania, a confirmed military ally of Japan and literally the only country that has gone out of its way to support its criminal government, happens to have any proof for this outlandish accusation?

anyways, the Empire is still sending peace keepers in order to secure the UAC in accordance to their people's wishes, regardless if they coincide with Rhodesian Interests.

we will, of course, build up their infrastructure to the highest available level, make sure the government is secure, and they can do whatever they want after that.

So, given that the UAC hasn't actually invited you in, what you're saying is, you're gonna invade the country to make it a Roman colony.

 

[Mathalamus]

In the real world, Germany could eliminate Rome without batting an eye.
And on the subject of peacekeeping, "it should only take a season" isone of those statements that never ends up being true. Let the African Federation keep peace in africa.

well, if you insist, fine. but... let them choose their own government. that is our only request.

To: Rome
From: Russia

Being that Rome is effectively, although reluctantly, part of the Russian sphere of influence (given that Rome's military and economic situation is still appalling and to be honest it exists because we allow it for now) we demand that Rome cease it's plastic sabre rattling. Rome is not anywhere close to relevant in Africa and simply does not have the military to watch over a significant amount of foreign people halfway across the globe. You would be doing this at the expense of your economy which is already plagued by your poor budget plan. As a nation that exists for the workers of the world, we already have a difficult time letting your monarchy exist. If you're going to strain the workers of Rome even more, we're going to have an even more difficult time continuing to do so.

you know, if you think the Military and Economic situation is appalling, you could, you know... do something about it? since you are not, we do not consider ourselves in the Russian sphere of influence.

as it stands now, the Military and the Economy has fully recovered from the Failure of Taiwan, and the Emperor wishes they would stop assuming the economy is still bad.

but, you are correct. the Roman Empire will cease any involvement in Africa.

(OOC: poor budget plan? you realize that the budget plan i posted was the best i could come up with? im not even a good RPer, so just forgive any mistakes. im trying to post how im reviving the Economy.)

So, given that the PAU hasn't actually invited you in, what you're saying is, you're gonna invade the country to make it a Roman colony.

you know Full well that we cannot maintain any colonies. and we stated repeatedly that what you think wasn't our intent. we invite you to read a but more carefully in the future. we ceased our involvement anyway, though.

 

[Civ'ed]

well, if you insist, fine. but... let them choose their own government. that is our only request.

The government will be elected by the people of the former UAC in accordance with AF wishes.
I'm sorry we aren't bending over backwards to please the most vestigial of empires that cannot even comprehend the basic military tactics of the modern age. May we point out that British Monarchs stopped going out on the battlefield with King George II and that most nations in the universe followed suit? And that this event happened in the 18th century?
It was not Platonics or Japan that caused that massive Roman failure called Taiwan. It was Roman adherence to tactics not seen since the colonization of the rest of the world.
Also we'd like to point out that if you manage to replenish an entire army and economy in the space of half a year then said army is all conscripts who don't know the difference between the barrel of a gun and a bayonet and an economy that either is nonexistent or less functional than that of early 21st century Somalia.

And before you say "but it took half a year to train the Springheel Jacks!" that's because they are volunteers from the actual armed forces.

Rome's status as world power died ages ago. And the belief that you have any influence south of the Sahara shows quite the Delusions of Grandeur.

 

[Mathalamus]

Also we'd like to point out that if you manage to replenish an entire army and economy in the space of half a year then said army is all conscripts who don't know the difference between the barrel of a gun and a bayonet and an economy that either is nonexistent or less functional than that of early 21st century Somalia.

Wrong. we left 100,000 soldiers back in the Empire when we invaded taiwan. those 100,000 were the original soldiers, the soldiers that tried to invade Taiwan were the nearly trained ones. they weren't even conscripts....they signed on, knowing full well that this could happen.

in any case, we managed to get 50,000 more recruits, and that is the size of the Roman Military now. that was from Two seasons ago.

and, i repeat, the Roman Emperor took steps to recover the economy at least last season.

(OOC: ok, you should just stop. quit assuming that the Empire is barely existing because it isn't true. god, that is so annoying.)

 

[Sonereal]

OOC: Your economic plan was more likely to force a contraction of the Roman economy than expansion, conscription and training of five divisions using the home guard as trainers, since most of veterans with actual experience died in the east, and the fact there is no earthly way Rome is going to bounce back from the death of seven perecent of its fighting age male population in one battle within a decade, let alone two seasons, is the reason the world is treating Rome as a third tier power.

Don't take offense to people believing Rome is on the verge of collapse when it literally just collaped into several smaller states already just a few months ago.

 

[Mathalamus]

Don't take offense to people believing Rome is on the verge of collapse when it literally just collapsed into several smaller states already just a few months ago.

the collapse a few months ago was the collapse. now, it is stable, since nothing else can leave the Empire (the states that left were not of the Greco-turkish culture) and the Emperor isnt a power-mad crazy guy or anything, so its stable politically.

if Texarkanas has any suggestions on how to revive the economy, we will be glad to use it.

 

[Mathalamus]

edit: double posted..

 

[eduhum]

I don't suppose Oceania, a confirmed military ally of Japan and literally the only country that has gone out of its way to support its criminal government, happens to have any proof for this outlandish accusation?

Military ally only on paper, since never our navies have acted together. It might change, though…

 

[Civ'ed]

EDIT: The statement that was here previously was not very diplomatic.

Instead we shall ask how Rome was able to have an army of 600,000 men, kill of five sixths of those in a foolish attempt to relive 15th-century glory and find 50,000 troops to replace them. Not even Rhodesia gets that many recruits in a year. Too many conscientious objections.

 

[Tyo]

but, you are correct. the Roman Empire will cease any involvement in Africa.

Glad you see the light.

 

[Mathalamus]

EDIT: The statement that was here previously was not very diplomatic.

Instead we shall ask how Rome was able to have an army of 600,000 men, kill of five sixths of those in a foolish attempt to relive 15th-century glory and find 50,000 troops to replace them. Not even Rhodesia gets that many recruits in a year. Too many conscientious objections.

fine, then, the Roman Empire only has 100,000 soldiers. the 50,000 that we recruited goes back into reserves. that should help somewhat. we cannot go any lower, though.

and, Emperor Theodoros admit that the number was a tad high. but, it was against Japan, and we felt that japan must be defeated by overwhelming numbers. evidently, it failed. we concluded that even if the late Andreas Laskaris did not command the troops, they still would have failed.

if an army of 500,000 failed to conquer Taiwan, why would a smaller number, like, 100,000 succeed? they would only fail harder, and Japan would give us a harsher peace treaty.

we admit that we were... soft in warfare. the late Emperor was so concerned about civilian lives that he apparently made things worse for the Roman military by not doing some things, like bombing runs, or shore bombardment.

 

[christos200]

Japan would like to thank Oceania for staying true to our friendship, despite our recent defeats. Such commitment is very rare, even in past times where loyalty and honor were more important than now. The Oceanian Government, acting in true Samurai spirit, remains loyal to us and supports us even when all other allies have betrayed us. You have our admiration. All Japanese people, if they were not Japanese, they would want to be Oceanians. And Takeshi Ruchang himself admitted that such loyalty has never been seen in history.