Inca Empire filter for the Hall of Fame Tables

Do you want the HoF Staff to add an Inca checkbox to the HoF Tables?


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So you can already see all the information you need? ;)

Tell me how to do 208 Ad-Hoc Queries and fill a 9 x 6 x 4 dimension array doing it all by visiting a particular URL that displays said array in the style of the Main HOF Web Page and I'll give you lolipop! :lol:

Sun Tzu Wu
 
Tell me how to do 208 Ad-Hoc Queries and fill a 9 x 6 x 4 dimension array doing it all by visiting a particular URL that displays said array in the style of the Main HOF Web Page and I'll give you lolipop!

Sun Tzu Wu

Answer: Build your own website that scrapes this one. Easy.

Where's my lollipop? :yumyum:
 
I'll be interested to see your new games, but I will not care about any of those that are Inca wins. They not at all impressive.
Nice attitude!

Any game that commands a #1 is impressive, especially for a game that has existed for 7 years.

I include all the Inca games you are about to play. ;)

However, don't make the mistake that I went through all this trouble just because they were my games. I would have taken the same action, if _someone_ else's solid non-Inca games were trampled by Inca games.

OK, if you say so.
 
Any game that commands a #1 is impressive, especially for a game that has existed for 7 years.

Not when it uses every exploitative techique known, including the Inca Civ.

I'm not impressed by any Inca win, with few exceptions. That was the motivation to get an Inca filter for the HoF. EQM bans them.

I just being honest. No slight intended.

Have a good day!

Sun Tzu Wu
 
Not when it uses every exploitative techique known, including the Inca Civ.

So your OK with every other exploitative technique, just not Inca?

I'm not slighted at all. I only have 1 Inca #1, so you are not offending my playing skills (slight as they are)
 
Halfway around the world I'd guess. Come and get it! :)

You forgot ''Sun Tzu Wu'' at the end of the post... Must be very emotional.:)


I didn't notice WT has taken slots from you. Now it is all in new light for me.

You seem to sound a bit like a bad loser. Why don't you just play Inca and overtake those slots. Reality is that most of the slots are pretty much unchallenged and reality is that every challenged slot will probably end up with no.1 Inca game. You have a chance and probably a skill to make an epic battle with WT. Isn't that fun, exciting and fresh after all these years?
 
^^ I don't think that these things should be made personal...

will you accuse me of some ill intent too, while arguing here for Inca's filter?
 
No. I just want to see an epic battle. BTW, I am not against filters but then all filters should be included.

Also, I'd like if no huts/random events/Inca/Egypt/Rome version of HoF existed with double gold/gems start max and obligated ancient start. It'd have much greater participation and learning value but it is too late 7 years after. Inca filter is simply not enough.
 
In my opinion, if the game was perfectly balanced it would be more like Civ 5. (Oatmeal)

It is refreshing that some civs are stronger and some are weaker. So, I like that Inca is included in the overall HOF tables and are forbidden in most competitive GMajors and GMinors.

I can understand why some may want a filter button for Inca, but it doesn't bother me if it's there or it isn't. I'd want to see all the games all the time because HOF tables are for showcasing the best finish times and highest scores.
 
WastinTime submitted 12 Deity Inca #1 games this past update

I submitted 11 Inca games (one Ramesses).

Let's see...who else submitted 11 Inca games last update?... Sun Tzu Wu, with 11 marathon duel domination. Glad to see you're testing out the waters.

However, don't make the mistake that I went through all this trouble just because they were my games. I would have taken the same action, if _someone_ else's solid non-Inca games were trampled by Inca games.

@STW, I'm curious which 3 games you would say were your most 'solid'. I would take it as a challenge to try to beat those games without the Inca. (Please pick at least one game that you still hold so I can go after a new slot) For example, The ones that jump out at me are Tiny/Epic, Duel/Quick, and Large/Epic or Marathon.
 
@WastinTime: Your request is getting a bit off topic, but why limit your non-Inca attempts to three? All of my Deity RLDV games lack the advantage of micromaps, worker stealing, city capturing and other legal exploitative tactics. I have no doubt that I could improve all of them with a non-Inca Civ and maybe win back some of my #1 games, but what would be the point of all that hard work, when a excellent player like yourself can easily use the Inca Civ to top my best non-Inca effort? Of course you are now saying you will use a non-Inca Civ to top the three you ask me to mention, and applaud you for that. However, in light of all the new (and some old) legal "explotative" tactics that can be synergistically used together, none of my top Deity RLDV games is very "solid" anymore. However, some of the smaller map Quick speed games might cause you some difficulties, assuming you don't use any exploitative technique like Worker stealing.

Good luck!

Now it occurs to me that the above setence is rather ironic to say to a player that keeps regenerating a map until a Tribal Village yields a useful Technology. It's no longer luck; it would be good if you avoided this technique too.

Sun Tzu Wu
 
A Conclusion (others may word it differently, but the meaning is indisputable):

HoF Staff has been consistently and unanimously against the Inca filter.

The HoF Staff has no spare time to implement such an Inca filter anyway.

Thus, there will be no Inca filter on the official HoF Web Pages.

An Alternate (there can be many others):

Player volunteers (not HoF staff who are too busy) use the HoF data to generate a view of it with Inca filtered out. It is not clear yet what format the output data will be in, but something that supports links to the HoF web site would be desirable.

Since there is no mandate to do just Inca filtering, other filters could be considered such as Tribal Villages which is another game element (option) with exploitative synergy with HoF starts and the Classical Era in particular which Zx Zero Zx pointed out earlier in this thread.

Assuming this plan is acceptable to CFC and the HoF in particular, I plan to start another thread for dicussing the possibilites, which I hope can include the use of the HoF Ad-Hoc Query for HoF data gathering.

Sun Tzu Wu
 
^ ^ Now you've gone off the deep end. Worker stealing is an exploit too? and capturing a city!?
So, anyone who plays any strategy that you don't play, or never thought to play, is exploiting the game. Your games are unbeatable as long as everyone plays exactly how you do. So I can use 'no barbs' because you do. And I can have huts on like you do, but if I get a tech, I should abandon that game because you want me to 'avoid' that technique. I can use mapfinder for gold/gems, etc., but not to find a nice hut. I can use a Cold/Lakes to make the map play smaller, but I can't use a High Seas/Pangaea. Sounds like you need a lot more than an Inca filter.

RE: being off topic. I thought if I bumped off some of your old games- - sans-Inca. You might not be so protective of them, and it would put this issue to rest.
 
^ ^ Now you've gone off the deep end. Worker stealing is an exploit too? and capturing a city!?
So, anyone who plays any strategy that you don't play, or never thought to play, is exploiting the game. Your games are unbeatable as long as everyone plays exactly how you do. So I can use 'no barbs' because you do. And I can have huts on like you do, but if I get a tech, I should abandon that game because you want me to 'avoid' that technique. I can use mapfinder for gold/gems, etc., but not to find a nice hut. I can use a Cold/Lakes to make the map play smaller, but I can't use a High Seas/Pangaea. Sounds like you need a lot more than an Inca filter.

RE: being off topic. I thought if I bumped off some of your old games- - sans-Inca. You might not be so protective of them, and it would put this issue to rest.

You asked me for a "challenge" and I added conditions. If you don't like the conditions, don't agree to your proposal as I amended it.

Sorry, my Tribal Village condition was poorly defined: You are welcome to have Tribal Villages on and enter any Tribal Villages on t1 or later. This will at least force you to load or start a new map rather than simply regenerating it after a "failed" Tribal Village event.

If you don't play under the same restrictions that I did, what would the point of the "challenge" you originally proposed?

You can use Inca Civ or non-Inca Civ hower you see fit, but if you are framing it as BtS skill "challenge" versus my already played games, the games should be played under the same conditions as much as RNG allows.

If I misunderstood your intent in making the challenge of beating three of my best games, then please accept my apology for misunderstanding your offer and we can just forget about it.

In the past I have dissuaded players from beating my games by simply saying I would retake them if they succeeded, becauce I knew I would be able to do so. It was intended to save both our playing time; nothing more.

I will not try to dissaude from taking my remaining RLDV games, because I'm not sure I could without using the Inca Civ. I would not characterize thst as being protective; I was simply defending my #1 games via both persuation and game playing.

Your 12 Inca games (1 from the previous update) may have been the catalyst for this thread, but that is all. All that beating my best three games with a non-Inca would prove is you don't need the Inca Civ to do it. That doesn't make the Inca Civ any less overpowering and thus the need for an Inca filter for the HoF remains. Thus, winning those three games won't have the effect you want anyway. You have opened my eyes to the Inca threat and we can't turn the clock back. What is done can not be undone. Welcome to the new world (Inca Civ taking over the HoF).

Sun Tzu Wu
 
not really sure people understand what the suggested data mining methods actually mean in practice.
At couple of places such techinques are banned since they influence the performance of whole system.

you have to understand if someone has to grab data from "ad hoc queries" no one sane would do that without some form of automatic generation of URL's and DLing such data in some automatic manner, basically building DDOS program.
 
not really sure people understand what the suggested data mining methods actually mean in practice.
At couple of places such techinques are banned since they influence the performance of whole system.

you have to understand if someone has to grab data from "ad hoc queries" no one sane would do that without some form of automatic generation of URL's and DLing such data in some automatic manner, basically building DDOS program.

Thank you very much vranasm for responding. Your knowledge of such things appears to greatly exceed mine. However, ...

No one is suggesting DDOS. Obviously, this is part of the reason CFC and HoF must agree to how this is done (throttled?) such that the server always has spare bandwidth to handle requests directly received from users (as opposed to a robot).

Another way to do this is download a digest of all games in the HoF to anther server where the actual filtering is done. This also may require some work from the HoF Staff which they probably can't spare even if they agree to it.

I could probably do some sort of poor man's filter that wouldn't be much more than 36 rows and 6 columns of a spreadsheet that would contain the names of the player of each #1 game on a particular difficulty level.

Sun Tzu Wu
 
Now it occurs to me that the above setence is rather ironic to say to a player that keeps regenerating a map until a Tribal Village yields a useful Technology. It's no longer luck; it would be good if you avoided this technique too.

Sun Tzu Wu

Now it occurs to me that the above sentence is rather ironic from a player that religiously uses Mapfinder.

Out of 1000 attempts of mapfinder, I bet you save less than 50 maps, and of those 50 I bet you play at most 5.

So playing 5/1000 attempts is morally superior to manually regenerating. Now I have heard it all.


^ ^ Now you've gone off the deep end. Worker stealing is an exploit too? and capturing a city!?
So, anyone who plays any strategy that you don't play, or never thought to play, is exploiting the game. ... Sounds like you need a lot more than an Inca filter.

This sums up all of my feelings and arguments regarding this 'issue'.

- any technique that STW uses is OK.
- any technique that STW doesn't use is not OK



edit: someone better tell Tachy that Worker stealing is an unfair exploit ;)
 
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