silver 2039
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We learnt our leasson from 1962.
India vs. China
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We learnt our leasson from 1962.
Revolutionary
Anarchy!
Originally posted by silver 2039
Well what do you think? The territory is pretty much equal. China owns more developed countries but India owns countries with more natural resourses so it balances out. Next we'll haved to divide up space.
sorry silver but this will probably never happenthe US will destroy the world
before we lose our freedomsilver 2039
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Originally posted by Revolutionary
the US will destroy the world
Not unless we destroy the world first!
:ripper: :rocket2: :saiyan: 
romelus
NUCULAR!
the smaller chinese population in the future compared to india will actually help the chinese economy grow at a better rate. india's high birthrate will drag down and slow its growth. almost akin to many african countries' vicious cycle. its social structure is also more rigid and less enterprising
this will likely increase the gap of military capabilities. china's current priority is to grow its economy as fast as possible, but its next priority will probably be rapidly advancing military and space technologies - you bet it's tired of the US using taiwan as a pawn to balance power.
china wields more diplomatic power than india. it's on the permanent UN security counsel, and has close ties with russia, nuclear pakistan, nuclear north korea, and the middle east. india doesn't yet have any close allies it could draw from
militarily china has more nukes and better delivery vehicles. it also has a geographic advantage in that its industrial powerhouses are in the northeast and east coast, the furthest away from india, allowing more time for missle interception and detection, and almost a sure chance to intercept any bombers. the closest chinese region to india is tibet which can be used as a buffer zone. china has rocket launching facilities and major airbases in its southwest and the xinjiang desert, and can launch attacks against india very quickly
it will be bloody but china has numerous advantages that will enable it to win
this will likely increase the gap of military capabilities. china's current priority is to grow its economy as fast as possible, but its next priority will probably be rapidly advancing military and space technologies - you bet it's tired of the US using taiwan as a pawn to balance power.
china wields more diplomatic power than india. it's on the permanent UN security counsel, and has close ties with russia, nuclear pakistan, nuclear north korea, and the middle east. india doesn't yet have any close allies it could draw from
militarily china has more nukes and better delivery vehicles. it also has a geographic advantage in that its industrial powerhouses are in the northeast and east coast, the furthest away from india, allowing more time for missle interception and detection, and almost a sure chance to intercept any bombers. the closest chinese region to india is tibet which can be used as a buffer zone. china has rocket launching facilities and major airbases in its southwest and the xinjiang desert, and can launch attacks against india very quickly
it will be bloody but china has numerous advantages that will enable it to win
stratego
Trying to be good.
Not true. China is trying so hard right now to prevent her economy from growing too fast. The goal for this year was 7%, but it grew by almost 10% so drastic measures are now being taken to slow it down.
But still I have to congratulate India for not having the "One Child Policy"
romelus
NUCULAR!
try to think about this in a macro sense, 25-50 years, not just the current guidline
by the way. the reason for this is to bring up the poor regions, and prime the country for more stable expansion, not because china actually wants to grow slower for some mystical reason
i think letting the vicious cycle of poverty and suffering continue is pretty reckless, democracy it may be...
sometimes you really have to pull out the bullet to cure the wound
DreadCthulhu
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This long term economic prediction might be of interest - it gives economic growth predictions for Brazil, Russia, India, and China for the 50 years; as well as predictions for the G6 to compare against. Just note, their initial GDP figures are not purchase parity adjusted.
And I think it may be too soon to say that China's "one child policy" is a good idea on the long run - Europe(with birthrates similar to China, though with the need for laws about it) is going to be running into some serious pension plan problems in next couple of decades - they won't have enough people of working age. With China's current birthrate(1.67 children per women), they too will have this problem down the line.
The United States will run into similar problems, though they won't be as bad - the US has slightly higher birthrates(currently 2.01 children per women) & larger immigration; over the next 50 years or so, Europe's population will remain static, then begin to shrink; the US's population will continue to grow throughout this period - by 2050, there may be half a billion Americans. Most of the predictions I have seen place China and India each having 1.5-1.8 billion people in 2050.
And I think it may be too soon to say that China's "one child policy" is a good idea on the long run - Europe(with birthrates similar to China, though with the need for laws about it) is going to be running into some serious pension plan problems in next couple of decades - they won't have enough people of working age. With China's current birthrate(1.67 children per women), they too will have this problem down the line.
The United States will run into similar problems, though they won't be as bad - the US has slightly higher birthrates(currently 2.01 children per women) & larger immigration; over the next 50 years or so, Europe's population will remain static, then begin to shrink; the US's population will continue to grow throughout this period - by 2050, there may be half a billion Americans. Most of the predictions I have seen place China and India each having 1.5-1.8 billion people in 2050.
Dann
Green bug
Ack! This time you've gone too far.
No one wants to expand like THAT! 
How the heck are we gonna be able to garrison all that? 
And Malaysia is 30% Chinese while Singapore is 70% Chinese, remember?
There used to be an outrageous "future China" map floating around the local forums but I'm not about to post that and draw fire from every poster at CFC.
Congratulations. You finally saw the real reason for our incorporation of Tibet.
allhailIndia
Deity
Actually population is not so much a problem as corruption and nepotism.
I prefer to see India as a land of 1.1 billion opportunities rather than 1.1 billion problems
Imagine what would happen if they could be given proper education and health care and given a decent government to work.
Like I said before, lots of doomsday predictions about India going up in flames and struggling from famine to famine have been made, but they have all become unstuck.
Moreover, militarily India and China have nothing to gain by conlict.
Neither of us have any anti-missile capability, but still enough missiles and bombs to end each of our civilizations
However, there is much more to gain by working together and this is what we are seeing today. Trade between India and China is growing and there is more and more military cooperation as well.
As of know, a serious problem is coming in China's way through an overheated economy which may burst the economic bubble, whereas in India, some unstability in the government could cause a slowing down of the economic growth.
So, as we try and sort out problems at home, the rest of the world can argue itself blue as to who will win if India and China fights. I have an inkling its going to be neither.
I prefer to see India as a land of 1.1 billion opportunities rather than 1.1 billion problems
Imagine what would happen if they could be given proper education and health care and given a decent government to work.
Like I said before, lots of doomsday predictions about India going up in flames and struggling from famine to famine have been made, but they have all become unstuck.
Moreover, militarily India and China have nothing to gain by conlict.
Neither of us have any anti-missile capability, but still enough missiles and bombs to end each of our civilizations
However, there is much more to gain by working together and this is what we are seeing today. Trade between India and China is growing and there is more and more military cooperation as well.
As of know, a serious problem is coming in China's way through an overheated economy which may burst the economic bubble, whereas in India, some unstability in the government could cause a slowing down of the economic growth.
So, as we try and sort out problems at home, the rest of the world can argue itself blue as to who will win if India and China fights. I have an inkling its going to be neither.
Akka
Moody old mage.
I find funny how so many people make absolute statement like "USA will never fall", "if it fall it will mean that the world is destroyed", "India will never become a superpower" or "I don't see a change for the next centuries".
A decade is a long time in modern history. A century is so far in the future that it's not even worth talking about.
Just look back at what the world was in 1904, and see how it has changed since then.
Europe, who was effortlessly dominating the world, and who litterally owned and occupied the whole globe but China and Americas, has fallen from his position, and is now relegated to a "simple" economic power. It took bloody wars to do it, but the world is still standing, AFAIK.
Russia went from monarchy to communism to oligarchy, and went from backward nation to superpower to regional power in decay.
USA rose from a noticeable economical and industrial power to the only superpower.
Etc., etc.
I mean, it took less than 50 years for the USA to become the world superpower, and suddendly it seems completely impossible that it changes in a century ? Please...
Europe only needed 30 years to go from "the whole world is in my hand" to "I'm a piece of meat shared between two big dogs". Think about it.
A decade is a long time in modern history. A century is so far in the future that it's not even worth talking about.
Just look back at what the world was in 1904, and see how it has changed since then.
Europe, who was effortlessly dominating the world, and who litterally owned and occupied the whole globe but China and Americas, has fallen from his position, and is now relegated to a "simple" economic power. It took bloody wars to do it, but the world is still standing, AFAIK.
Russia went from monarchy to communism to oligarchy, and went from backward nation to superpower to regional power in decay.
USA rose from a noticeable economical and industrial power to the only superpower.
Etc., etc.
I mean, it took less than 50 years for the USA to become the world superpower, and suddendly it seems completely impossible that it changes in a century ? Please...
Europe only needed 30 years to go from "the whole world is in my hand" to "I'm a piece of meat shared between two big dogs". Think about it.
boogaboo
Josef Popper 4ever
US will fall eventually, economiccally-wise.
China will rule. Not only economically-wise..
India will haver to stop it's population grouth if it wants to catch up with China.. and even then, it will take at least 100 years for India to do so, and then.. who knows?!
China will rule. Not only economically-wise..
India will haver to stop it's population grouth if it wants to catch up with China.. and even then, it will take at least 100 years for India to do so, and then.. who knows?!
allhailIndia
Deity
Like I said before, population is not a problem if you can turn it into your advantage by having a healthy, educated populace, and we'll cut that 100 years to oh say 25
Mindless speculation, but still interesting all the same
Mindless speculation, but still interesting all the same
Gr3yL3gion
Voice of Madness
Hell no,
I don't see anyone here, whether they are Malay, Indian, Chinese, support the occupation by China, India or whatever country in the future.
I don't see anyone here, whether they are Malay, Indian, Chinese, support the occupation by China, India or whatever country in the future.
Revolutionary
Anarchy!
@Akka
most of us know its impossible to predict the future
most comments including some of mine (i.e. the US will destroy the world ) were made in jest
most of us know its impossible to predict the future
most comments including some of mine (i.e. the US will destroy the world
) were made in jest
stratego
Trying to be good.
The reason China and India won't become a superpower soon like the US is there are some critical factors that made US a superpower. We are one of the forerunners to industrialize. The Anglo-Saxon virtue. The focus of education on innovation rather than just information.
romelus
NUCULAR!
there are a few things that are different from europe. china has a very high individual savings rate, the best solution to pension and welfare problems. welfare is very carefully used in china to avoid abuse. the chinese social structure is also fundamentally different from the west. the children are expected to support their parents and they do. in the west the parents are expected to support themselves through savings and pension.
and if china really wants more population (in the far far future) it can lift the one child policy
with the current pop growth rate soon india will become the most populous nation and approach 1.5 billion and beyond. the challenge is to keep the supply of education and health care growing at the same monstrous rate. i don't see that problem being solved in the near future.
romelus
NUCULAR!
all empires fall and fade
your description was quite apt for china a thousand years ago, when it was the at the forefront of innovation and education. the current US dominance is but a speckle in the sands of time...
it may not take a war for the US to fade, but a slow and gradual diminishing economy. in merely 50 years china will have a larger economy than the US - and a much larger consumer base. a lot of the foreign capital flowing into the US will go to china and india instead, not for cheap labour but for mass consumption. a scarier scenario for the US is if china and india actually unite and form any sort of trading bloc, making them dwarf the US economy.
the current political situation does not bode well for the US either. it will be embroiled in anti terror fights in the next few decades, while china and india are growing unchecked. the world will be a very different place in 50 years
