[RD] Individualism of Responsibility: shifting the burden to consumers

[Lexicus]

Actually some of that 'make no sense' is specifically planned. The design is so people that don't live there won't be familiar with the layout and not be able to use the area as a shortcut. This drives down traffic congestion through out the community and improves the quality of life there.

No, it improves the quality of life in the neighborhood by increasing congestion everywhere else. Neighborhoods planned to minimize thru traffic also result in far more energy use than if you just lay streets out in a sensible grid.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Does anyone have examples of confusing suburban layout?

 

[Lexicus]

Does anyone have examples of confusing suburban layout?

I dunno about intentionally confusing but there are absolutely neighborhoods in the US designed to minimize or eliminate through traffic, mostly by making the plan consist of a bunch of dead-end roads leading to cul-de-sacs.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Actually some of that 'make no sense' is specifically planned. The design is so people that don't live there won't be familiar with the layout and not be able to use the area as a shortcut. This drives down traffic congestion through out the community and improves the quality of life there.

Historically, this was done so enemies wouldn't be able to find their way around. In modern times it's aggravating when the pizza delivery guy can't find your address either because the layout of the neighborhood is confusing or he's incapable of reading a map or counting the number of buildings.

Shortcuts are going to happen even with people who don't live there. And the layouts I'm talking about mean confusion when people are visiting and get lost (I once got lost in a subdivision when looking for a crescent-wide garage sale; thank goodness I found someone to ask directions from, and when I'd finished my shopping I said, "Please point me to the nearest bus stop as the crow flies"). Not to mention the pattern of naming the non-numbered streets and avenues starting with the first letter of the subdivision they're in... get one anomaly and the taxi driver takes you in some other direction.

It even happened due to the name of the building I live in. I was told by the dispatcher not to bother with the street address because "all the drivers know that building" and just tell them the name. But then I occasionally get a driver who's new and assumes that because my building name starts with a particular letter, it means I live in the subdivision starting with that name and start heading in the opposite direction, across town. When I protest, they inform me that they're taking me to the right area because "You live in ______, so that means ______." Whereupon I get testy and tell them that I'm just following what the dispatcher said to do, give them the street address, and tell them I know how much this trip is supposed to cost, and I am not paying for the "detour" (some drivers pull this "confusion" crap on purpose, thinking to get some extra $$).

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

But what if the pizza delivery guy is actually an enemy spy? Then it worked!

 

[Valka D'Ur]

But what if the pizza delivery guy is actually an enemy spy? Then it worked!

But that wouldn't get me my supper! Late-night Skip the Dishes wasn't around back then, when this idiot phoned to say he'd been knocking and I wouldn't answer, and I asked him where he was. He wouldn't believe me when I told him he was two blocks away from where I really live, and he could knock there all night and it still wouldn't get my pizza to me.

By the time he finally got to my place, I told him that when a customer tells him he's got the wrong address and where they really live, he should believe them. Needless to say, he did not get a tip.

 

[Farm Boy]

Does anyone have examples of confusing suburban layout?

There's better examples, but I'm not going to cruise maps very hard. But sorta like if you go to google maps and look at the houses immediately east of Patterson Elementary School, Naperville, IL compared to say West Ridge, Chicago, IL.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

That's a messy looking subdivision.

Spoiler couldn't resist :

 

[Birdjaguar]

Does anyone have examples of confusing suburban layout?

Just use google earth and look at the suburbs of older, big cities.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Just use google earth and look at the suburbs of older, big cities.

I...got a little distracted.

 

[Zardnaar]

Just use google earth and look at the suburbs of older, big cities.

Basically any city that wasn't rebuilt after WW2 or built since then.

Roads here were designed for 19th century wagons with no topographical map.

 

[Socrates99]

Imagine millennials trying to pull off D-Day.

They would land on the beach waving their down with fascism signs and bleating about how unfair the world is and look for some fascists to swarm. Only to find out they're landing in Delaware.

Assuming the GPS on the I phone worked, the 3 who bothered turning up to invade (the rest stayed at home to protest about being in the army/and or to stoned) they find out the real fascists shoot back.

Of the 3 who turned up 2 wander off to find some organic kale and complain about global warming caused by the Sherman tanks.

The last poor bastard runs up the beech, gets shot dead and the rest blame him for failing some sort of purity test and/or being pro fascist for not trying hard enough.

What creates these dumb tropey characterizations of Millennials? The fact that they favor social programs? Is it weird that the people most hurt by the 2008 recession favor progressive legislation just like the generation most hurt by the Depression? Those D Day invaders weren't "rugged individualists." They elected the most progressive US president 4 times ushered in sweeping labor movements and massive social programs.

This bullfeathers characterization of Millennials being inept whiners is entirely inaccurate and cultivated specifically to push back against any movement demands.

 

[Lexicus]

What creates these dumb tropey characterizations of Millennials? The fact that they favor social programs? Is it weird that the people most hurt by the 2008 recession favor progressive legislation just like the generation most hurt by the Depression? Those D Day invaders weren't "rugged individualists." They elected the most progressive US president 4 times ushered in sweeping labor movements and massive social programs.

This bullfeathers characterization of Millennials being inept whiners is entirely inaccurate and cultivated specifically to push back against any movement demands.

Honestly, I was kind of surprised, I figured Zardnaar's take on D-Day would be "bunch of antifa thugs allied with Communists use violence to stop fascists from engaging in free speech"

 

[Truthy]

What creates these dumb tropey characterizations of Millennials? The fact that they favor social programs? Is it weird that the people most hurt by the 2008 recession favor progressive legislation just like the generation most hurt by the Depression? Those D Day invaders weren't "rugged individualists." They elected the most progressive US president 4 times ushered in sweeping labor movements and massive social programs.

This bullfeathers characterization of Millennials being inept whiners is entirely inaccurate and cultivated specifically to push back against any movement demands.

I’d say it’s more directly about hair dye and pronouns and trigglypuff and all that. Still nonsense. History shows over and over humans by nature will do crazy things like storming a beach if their social context makes them. Millennials are no different

 

[Lexicus]

I’d say it’s more directly about hair dye and pronouns and trigglypuff and all that. Still nonsense. History shows over and over humans by nature will do crazy things like storming a beach if their social context makes them. Millennials are no different

Hey I have a funny one, imagine Boomers trying to fight the Battle of Stalingrad

 

[rah]

No, it improves the quality of life in the neighborhood by increasing congestion everywhere else. Neighborhoods planned to minimize thru traffic also result in far more energy use than if you just lay streets out in a sensible grid.

Never said I supported it, just saying why it was done. And is it really any different then gated communities?
Why should the locals pay the price for crappy planning by the city in resolving the congestion, making people want to look for short cuts? Improved main arteries eliminates the need.

 

[Socrates99]

I’d say it’s more directly about hair dye and pronouns and trigglypuff and all that. Still nonsense. History shows over and over humans by nature will do crazy things like storming a beach if their social context makes them. Millennials are no different

Nah, every generation has had dumb fads that gripped a minority of the generation the previous one liked to use to put it down. Boomers were free love, peace loving, drug abusing hippies, Gen X wore parachute pants and overused hairspray, etc.

Millennials that dye their hair pink and purple and complain about pronouns are a minority.

 

[Truthy]

Nah, every generation has had dumb fads that gripped a minority of the generation the previous one liked to use to put it down. Boomers were free love, peace loving, drug abusing hippies, Gen X wore parachute pants and overused hairspray, etc.

Millennials that dye their hair pink and purple and complain about pronouns are a minority.

Of course, but Zard doesn't realize that

(edit: I should say, I don't think hair dye and pronoun stuff are dumb. But they are trends and they don't represent fundamental changes in human behavior and psychology. Just new stuff on offer for our social palette)

 

[Birdjaguar]

Hey I have a funny one, imagine Boomers trying to fight the Battle of Stalingrad

Imagine yourself at Stalingrad or Verdun. Boomers had Vietnam thrust upon them and created Woodstock on their own.

Be thankful that war has changed.

 

[Lexicus]

Imagine yourself at Stalingrad or Verdun.

I have, many times, but you must concede it is difficult to imagine one's own death.

Boomers had Vietnam thrust upon them

No one forced them to keep electing genocidal war criminals who promised to fight the war to a finish.