Info Addict

robk · Jun 9, 2011

Info Addict v14 is now available. This update includes more language translations and speed improvements (hopefully 20 times faster!) when saving data at the end of the turn.

Note: Because of the change with the way data is saved, this version is not compatible with previous versions of Info Addict. I recommend you upgrade the mod in between games so you don't lose your data in the middle of a game.

Special thanks goes out to Delta187 for the German translation and Rual for the Spanish translation. :goodjob:

I wasn't able to completely test the changes by running through long games (autoplay still busted :aargh:

) but I did enough partial tests that I'm confidant the changes are OK. If it turns out that something else seems off, I'll try to jump on it as quick as I can.

Spoiler mod integrators: file changes and additions to v14 :

Pouakai · Jun 9, 2011

So wait, is it not compatiable with v13?

Mentos · Jun 9, 2011

Wow, Ive never thought InfoAddict has been such a performance killer. Here a test-result on my mediocre rig using the same Huge map but different starts:

Seconds/turn (only the first few ones)

NoMods: 5s
v13: 30s
v14: 8s

Thats an incredible improvement!
I dont do games on any larger maps than Tiny anymore since Ive started modifying the game, thats why Ive never really paid attention to such a difference.

Well done! :goodjob:

PS: May I sue you for wasting my lifetime before?

robk · Jun 9, 2011

@Pouakai: Yep, it is incompatible unfortunately. I had to make a major change to the underlying date structure and making it compatible would have made the performance even worse.

@Mentos: Haha, sue away! Since you're modding, any chance you're running the fire tuner? I'm really curious to see what the performance information that I'm spitting out to the console is saying. It should tell you how long it takes to actually save the data and how long it takes to read it into memory.

Actually, if anyone wants to help me out, I'd love to check out a file from you that let's me look at that performance info myself. Once you open a game, a file gets dropped down to:

Documents\My Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 5\cache\Civ5SavedGameDatabase.db

If you can send me that file by attaching it to a post here, I would appreciate it. You can also PM me and I'll send you an email address that you can email that to. A few people sent me their saved game files but I don't have all the DLC content and that prevents me from extracting this particular file myself.

In case you're curious, this is the info that I save in there regarding performance:

Loading InfoAddict Data Manager
InfoAddict Version: 14
Game Version: 1.0.1.275 (223483)
Start Turn: 0
Updating the historical data table with 1 turns took 0.014s to complete (1 queries).
Total time to build political view: 0.004s
Saving player stats took 0.011s to complete (4 inserts).
Updating the historical data table with 1 turns took 0.016s to complete (1 queries).
Total time for DrawGraph(score): 0.001s
Total time to build political view: 0.004s

Mentos · Jun 9, 2011

I haven't done a long session yet. Here a log from the first 6 turns, huge Earth map with default settings. After 3 turns, I cheated myself Satellite Tech together with the "Satellites Reveal Cities" mod. That made me meet all CS and Civs. Afterwards, I did 3 further turns.

Spoiler :

robk · Jun 10, 2011

@Mentos: Cool, thanks for posting that. How do the saving stats look on a 22 player game, if you don't mind me asking you to do a little work? You don't have to do any revealing because all civ stats are saved regardless of who you've met. Revealing civs only affects the graph generation and those are really damn fast on both our systems.

I'm also kinda surprised at the difference between our systems ... maybe my desktop is just faster than most and that's why I didn't notice the terrible performance in v13. Here are the saving stats from a 22 player game I just fired up:

Saving player stats took 0.047s to complete (22 inserts).
Updating the historical data table with 1 turns took 0.015s to complete (1 queries).
Saving player stats took 0.058s to complete (22 inserts).
Updating the historical data table with 1 turns took 0.015s to complete (1 queries).
Saving player stats took 0.051s to complete (22 inserts).
Updating the historical data table with 1 turns took 0.015s to complete (1 queries).

When I was testing v13, I was getting save times in the 1s range for large player games but, based on your logs, you would see something in the 20-30 seconds range, which matches what you said about v13 in your other post. Yuck! :suicide:

Pouakai · Jun 10, 2011

You'll have access to new data possibly:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10579475&postcount=1

Snerk · Jun 11, 2011

A small niggle I have with this mod is that I wish it would open on the global relations page instead of the graphs. I never use the graphs as it feels kinda wrong to have access to that amount of data. But the global relations page is all kinds of awesome and I use it all the time.

KungCheops · Jun 11, 2011

So... What happens now?

*Latest patch thingy*

Valkrionn · Jun 11, 2011

So far that's only confirmed for the end of the game, whereas InfoAddict works during the game.

SS-18 ICBM · Jun 12, 2011

Do I have do anything else after downloading the mod? I did that and I can't seem to use Info Addict on the new game I started right after.

Pouakai · Jun 12, 2011

You activated it, right? If so, it should be under the Diplomacy Corner thing, where the 'Diplomacy Overview, Military Overview, Demographics etc.' are

SS-18 ICBM · Jun 13, 2011

I've already checked that button quite a few times.

KungCheops · Jun 13, 2011

For some reason it doesn't show any graphs or diplomacy thingamajigs for me.

The graphs say, "no data available" or some thing like that and the screen that's supposed to show lines between the countries simply doesn't show anything. :confused:

Pouakai · Jun 13, 2011

I'm also getting no data on the Global Relations page

Baleur · Jun 13, 2011

This is 100% compatible "out of the box" with the latest Thal's Unofficial patch + balance right?

Seek · Jun 13, 2011

Baleur said:
This is 100% compatible "out of the box" with the latest Thal's Unofficial patch + balance right?

Yup!

robk · Jun 14, 2011

basmannen said:
For some reason it doesn't show any graphs or diplomacy thingamajigs for me.

The graphs say, "no data available" or some thing like that and the screen that's supposed to show lines between the countries simply doesn't show anything.

Are you patched up to the latest version of the game (1.0.1.275)? You would probably be getting missing data if you're on an older version since it doesn't have the save file database that Info Addict is using these days.

KungCheops · Jun 15, 2011

robk said:
Are you patched up to the latest version of the game (1.0.1.275)? You would probably be getting missing data if you're on an older version since it doesn't have the save file database that Info Addict is using these days.

Yes everything should be correct (Steam downloads the latest patch right?).

I tried deleting all my mods and downloading them again, now the relationship screen works but the graph page still says "No data available" or something like that...

robk · Jun 15, 2011

@basmannen: This may sound like a goofy question: do you go into the advanced set up screen at the beginning of a game and make changes to the civs on the left side of the screen? I just found a bug where doing that can prevent data from being recorded. It'll be fixed in the next version.

Also, have you tried Info Addict by itself to see if it works? You should start seeing historical graphs after the first few turns (for yourself, at least).

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