Introducing and Developing the Interesting Times Concept.

[Insane_Panda]

Reserve me a spot for now, sadly though, I will be missing 3 weeks of this NES soon..

 

[Drake Rlugia]

Yeah, I'd to reserve a spot if any are open.

 

[WarlordMatt]

What happened to the NES2 II continuation?

Anyway I would definitely be interested in a fresh-start game that ACTUALLY makes it past the bronze age. Sign me up.

 

[das]

would conqured cultures eventually become asimilated?

Supposedly, yes, though its often the conquerors who would be assimilated.

Preferrably the Islamic Caliphate, if there is one.

You know I would preffer to avoid the creation of OTL religions, though AFTER Arabia becomes a civilized zone you might join in there. Before that, you could find something else.

Like I said in the PM, reserve me something, preferably Roman, but I don't know how that big thing will change anything, especially with this sort of NES.

Do you HAVE to be Rome? Well, I guess I can't stop you, but I would really preffer it if you people were more original.

Well, about the unpopular idea u could have like a coup, or a revolution as like in France and if the player doesn't like it... too bad really, they should know not to be unrealistic.

Okay... again. Supposedly, your emperor made some big mistake with China, don't know, he perhaps angered the isolationist elements by sailing too far. How would YOU feel if your emperor were to be killed by Confucianist civil officials who then proceeded to disassemble all your ships?

Yes, that's the problem that I was talking about.

Reserve me a spot for now, sadly though, I will be missing 3 weeks of this NES soon..

I am not sure when I will start it yet... I still need to finish the rules, damn it!

What happened to the NES2 II continuation?

Its still roaming the steppes of my brain, but I really want to do this one first.

Anyway I would definitely be interested in a fresh-start game that ACTUALLY makes it past the bronze age. Sign me up.

As would I be, you know (this is a hint). But for now, I will have to be content with modding one.

Btw - no reservations yet, I didn't even work out the rules yet!

No comments on my Cultural Groups? These are my favorite idea for this one, I would really like to see your opinions. Perhaps I didn't explain it correctly?

 

[alex994]

Okay... again. Supposedly, your emperor made some big mistake with China, don't know, he perhaps angered the isolationist elements by sailing too far. How would YOU feel if your emperor were to be killed by Confucianist civil officials who then proceeded to disassemble all your ships?

That's assuming neo-confucisism comes into place..... anyways, court officials would NEVER assasinate the Emperor, that's all completely against the Confucian beliefs. and if they then proceeded to disassemble my ships after they assasinated the emperor, they'll face a loyalists revolt against them. Whatever you do as a scholar, you don't go assasinate the Son of Heaven... but if that happens, i'll stay in character after having all the civil officials killed for killing the Son of heaven.

 

[das]

Actually, who said that assassinations should all be in the open? I suspect that the Yonglo Emperor might not have died from an ordinary illness, though point taken.

And noone said that neoconfucianism would come into place, this is just an example.

And even if you will, I know some people who won't.

(But what about the cultural groups? No, really?)

 

[alex994]

you should see some of the chinese conspricy books on the Yongle Emperor, "What would've happened if the Yongle Emperor lived for another 10 years?" ends up with a picture of a Chinese Empire stretching from California to Ethiopia . my ultimate dream...

the cultural groups is a good idea, but the majority of the culture didn't start independently and absorbed defeated and or nearby nation's culture and just added it all in so it seems hard to do that...

 

[das]

Ethiopia?

Actually, IMHO the Song dynasty, though not as widely-trumpeted, did send ships throughout large parts of the Pacific and Indian Oceans. It surviving the Mongol invasion seems a better PoD, if, ofcourse, we could get it to reconquer the north.

the cultural groups is a good idea, but the majority of the culture didn't start independently and absorbed defeated and or nearby nation's culture and just added it all in so it seems hard to do that...

I know, still, IMHO, it could work. I mean, there would be, for instance, a Chinese Cultural Group (which largely applies to China, but also influences Korea, Indochina and Japan to some extent), an Indian Cultural Group (mostly in India, influents Indonesia), etc. I am not sure what to do with the Buddhists, though. But... And ofcourse, there is the Muslim Cultural Group, etc. And there are sub-groups, mostly on religious principles (Sunnis-Shiites), but they are only mentioned and less elaborated on, until they fully separate. Or for the ancient world, in the Middle East there will be a Hebrew Cultural Group, an Egyptian Cultural Group, and a "Mesopatamian" Cultural Group (for Babylonians, Assyrians, Mittannis, etc, as they all had similarities). Probably also a Phoenicean Cultural Group and a Greek Cultural Group, though I am not sure on the former, which could be better off a part of the "Mesopatamian" group (lots of similarities).

 

[alex994]

a Chinese cultural group isn't exactly precise... Chinese culture's been influenced by other cultures the northern states after the collaspe of the Zhou to the rise of the Qin. There's quite a tiny chance that the Chinese culture will evolve as it did rl with the hunnic invasions, nan yue, koreans, manchus and etc since the players will change everything. same with the other cultures

gtg, nice to talk with u das without a 12 hour interval though

 

[das]

a Chinese cultural group isn't exactly precise... Chinese culture's been influenced by other cultures the northern states after the collaspe of the Zhou to the rise of the Qin. There's quite a tiny chance that the Chinese culture will evolve as it did rl with the hunnic invasions, nan yue, koreans, manchus and etc since the players will change everything. same with the other cultures

I never said the cultures will be the same as in OTL, sorry, I forgot to say that I meant this is how the real world circa 800 BC would have been divided.

Still, I think that though China - naturally - underwent foreign influence, IMHO a Chinese cultural group could be said to exist. Ofcourse, it formed and evolved with time, as did and will all other cultural groups - depending on events, neighbhors, etc.

 

[das]

Btw, bringing up a point stated much earlier by Stalin, would you preffer the one-per-week updates, two-per-week updates or something else entirely?

Also, I intend to set up a separate "ITNESI History" thread, where I (and maybe some others) will work on documenting the ITNESI events (I think the BT Updates, IT summaries, all with maps, and also maybe some battle descriptions), in order to a) immortalize it better and b) make it easier to join late in game.

And finally, those who like to switch countries in mid-game (yes, Azale, I'm looking at you ) - it will be much more acceptable if you did that during the BT (or after the BT update).

 

[Kal'thzar]

I like twice a week updates.....

 

[North King]

Not all of it. Indus Valley naturally is, and its surroundings are.

Crap. I let Azale take Indus. Can't I have the Cholas?

 

[das]

Crap. I let Azale take Indus. Can't I have the Cholas?

Can the Cholas exist without the Aryan invasion of India (because an Aryan invasion of India would mean slaying Azale in the first BT)?

Oh, and NK, I really did expect you to comment on the Cultural Groups. What do you think?

 

[Melpomene]

I like the culture thing (altough i bet it will be a real pain as it will lead to rebellions)

For my reservation, start me somewhere in Germany, maybe Bavaria


when are u opening this wonderful nes?

 

[tossi]

I would like 3 updates in two weeks.

On cultural groups: I think this would be interesting, especial if you conquer a hostile culture group.

On revolutions etc: I don't like the idea of getting your ruler killed. He represents the NES player afterall. Further I think that many players politics will just stay the same. And that would be a bti strange. I would prefer things like rouge barons splitting up from your nation, or gigantic child eating horse barbarian armies conquering large parts of your empire and then asking for tribute. And then in the IT the player would have some problems to reconquer their nation. However I do know how it feels when suddenly half of your hard earned conquest get stolen by some random npc nations who just banded together. Especialy if you just can't do anything against it. I think the players should allways have some influence on the BT. For example by building something like the Great Chinese Wall to defend against barbarians. However= if in the IT the nation was already unstable and the player jsut couldn't get the nation under control, then the BT should make him some anger.

on reservations: I'm sure there are allready about 66 reservations. Who will realy get in? First to find the thread? Btw I'm sure i was one of the first reservators .

 

[Melpomene]

Well, i think i made it in time....... ^_^

 

[North King]

Can the Cholas exist without the Aryan invasion of India (because an Aryan invasion of India would mean slaying Azale in the first BT)?

Probably, since they are in lower, Dravidian India, even if from a lter time period.

Oh, and NK, I really did expect you to comment on the Cultural Groups. What do you think?

Um... I don't really like grouping cultures arbitrarily, but I guess other than that, it's good.

 

[das]

On cultural groups: I think this would be interesting, especial if you conquer a hostile culture group.

Um... WHAT hostile culture groups? Although, there will be hostility, as I already said, conflicts WITHIN culture groups are often much worse then those between them.

He represents the NES player afterall.

Not neccessarily, I for instance often change rulers, in fresh-start NESes at least.

I think the players should allways have some influence on the BT

SOME influence they WILL have.

on reservations: I'm sure there are allready about 66 reservations. Who will realy get in? First to find the thread? Btw I'm sure i was one of the first reservators .

On reservations, I already said that I'm not accepting reservations yet.

Probably, since they are in lower, Dravidian India, even if from a lter time period.

Actually, not much later, I have a map of the Mahabharata War realms, and Chola is mentioned amongst them (on Pandava side).

Um... I don't really like grouping cultures arbitrarily, but I guess other than that, it's good.

I will group them according to common sense, and you know that. Ofcourse, player stories will supposedly help me greatly with those.

 

[alex994]

one per week updates, your nes is strenous and i dun exactly look forward to writing orders for you