IOT X: The Space Race

[Ailedhoo]

Greetings from the Socialist Union of Democratic States, my fellow socialist power!

We too are a democratic socialist power, eager to see the Revolution bring harmony to the world.

Alas we are in danger. Nazis endanger us. The Macedonians and Arabians have launched a ideological crusade against our lands. The GED its best to withstand but a invasion of the GED member that be the German Empire by the Scandinavians has lead to crisis.

We issue you are blessing as we commence a call to arms to a fellow socialist power. Let us fight the enemies of justice viva la Revolution! Do you accept our call to arms?

 

[Tani Coyote]

Lock in 44 hours.

As with TUG, I wanna standardise turn times. This being a simpler game overall, the turn time I'm aiming for is 3 days rather than 4.

 

[ilduce349]

The SUDS seems to share our dream in one day uniting the world under socialism. However sadly we have to reject the alliance offer at this time.

We want to avoid war for as long as necessary and have more pressing matters to attend to. Should the SUDS still find its self under fire in 2-3 *turns* (the OP makes it unclear how long a turn is) we will reconsider the Nazi threat, but at this time in saddens me that we have to turn away from such a great socialist nation.

Meanwhile, it is clear that a noble goal of any central planner is to create a sustainable and resource independent nation, but sadly Austria at this time has not yet reached this noble goal.

It is for this reason that Comrade Janica, in his infinite wisdom, has decided to reach out to the republic of venice in hopes to entering a trade agreement.

We also hope that the leader of Venice sees it wise to cede some land along the border with Austria so that Austria has access to the sea. We hope Venice sees virtue in our proposal and will make a swift and pleasing response.

Illustrated here are 5 brown territories under you control. To be fair on you, we ask that you cede 2 of them of your choice.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

The Nazis are: NSDAP

[National Socialist German Worker's Party]

We suggest that Austria, given our combined heritage and Hitler personally being Austria, pursue a policy of peace and interaction in the future.


Before you buy into French propaganda that the Nazis are evil warmongers, please read this:

Spoiler :

*Steam coming out of ears*

This is really, really stupid. The Nazis have made MANY ATTEMPTS AT PEACE. MANY. MANY MANY MANY MANY!

Let me list them here for you, because apparently the short term memory of other nations in IOT: X is about a half a minute.

#1

#2 (And here's me agreeing)

#3

#4 (This is after we repelled the Zulu/SUDS invasion)

#5

#6

I think I've offered the most peace deals out of anyone in the game, and every single one was refused.

Had france accepted the first one where they get 3 provinces to my 2, they wouldn't be in their situation right now. Moreover, there wouldn't have been so much loss of life. Look at the Zulus, they haven't expanded at all in what, 3 turns?

The Nazis and French had a territorial dispute, but the French refused to come to ANY sort of compromise. They declared war on us and so did their 4 allies. The Nazis have prevailed thus far, however.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

As with TUG, I wanna standardise turn times. This being a simpler game overall, the turn time I'm aiming for is 3 days rather than 4.

 

[ilduce349]

As I said, I wont be committing to either side in the war at this time, while you have offered peace, your starting claims was to build a wall directly blocking off the SUD expansion.

On top of that you called for aid from Macedon and the Caliphate, one is an anti-socialist democracy, the other is xenobody that now controls European land. This is an outrage. It should be the ones who reject the call of equality and national strength and the defence of good christian values that we should be fighting, not fellow socialists (if you really want to call yourself socialist, which Nazis, was founded upon but went too nationalist to really be considered socialist)

Note: The above represents the views of Comrade Janica and in no way reflects the views of the SDAR. The Assembly rejected the decision to join the war in a 5-7 vote.

The official view of the SDAR and its governing body is to pursue a path of peace and remain neutral in this war, at least for now.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

A wise decision.

 

[Ailedhoo]

The Nazis are: NSDAP

[National Socialist German Worker's Party]

Socialist in name only. The Nazis are not socialists. After all...

Let's start with the second part first. Some respondents confuse Nazism, a political party platform, with fascism, which is a particular structure of government. Fascism legally sanctions the persecution of a particular group within the country — political, ethnic, religious — whatever. So within Nazism there are elements of fascism, as well as militarism, capitalism, socialism etc. To tar all socialists with the national socialist brush is as absurd as citing Bill Gates and Augusto Pinochet in the same breath as examples of free market capitalism.

Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda!
But Nazi corporate ties extended well beyond Germany. It is an extraordinarily little known fact that in 1933 a cabal of Wall Street financiers and industrialists plotted an armed coup against President Roosevelt and the US Constitutional form of government. The coup planners — all of them deeply hostile to socialism — were enthusiastic supporters of German national socialism and Italian fascism. Details of the little publicised Congressional report on the failed coup may be read in 1000 Americans:The Real Rulers of the USA by George Seldes.

Fascism, according to the American Heritage Dictionary (1983) is A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism. Italian philosopher Giovanni Gentile's entry in the Encyclopedia Italiana read: Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. No less an authority on fascism than Mussolini was so pleased with that definition that he later claimed credit for it.

Nevertheless, within certain US circles,the misconception remains that fascism is essentially left wing, and that the Nazis were socialists simply because of the "socialism" in their name. We wonder if respondents who insist on uncritically accepting the Nazis' cynical self-definition would be quite as eager to believe that the German Democratic Republic was democratic.

 

[ilduce349]

however Ailedhoo that doesn't address the underlying problem that you've refused half a dozen peace offers while simultaneously asking for intervention by other powers.
How do you address that?

 

[Ailedhoo]

however Ailedhoo that doesn't address the underlying problem that you've refused half a dozen peace offers while simultaneously asking for intervention by other powers.
How do you address that?

History. Observe the history of the Second Third Reich, of how they claimed Eastern France, of how they refused to permit us, of how we had freinds to our aid, of how then Macedonia decided to interfear with a regional issue with a mandate to make the land controlled by the UN (which turned out not to exist), of how we discovered oppression from the Nazis (note the Auschwitz theme park), of how we then faced Macedonia and Arabia seeking to enforce their mandate, how Macedonia and Arabia stopped us driving out the Nazis a few mounths ago via a suprise attack, how after the UN was declared unexistent Macedonia created a puppet state in our land to show their imperialism, how the Arabians see our land as their own for imperial purposes, how we took Richard Richardson's advice to seek peace by asking the Macedonian-Arabian allaince to leave our land... which they refused for clear imperial purposes, of how now with the German Empire being invaded by a clear imperialist power, of how we forged the GED to stand against imperialism... how we stand against foes that do not belive in the rights of nations but instead wish to seek conquest, via it the dark will of the Nazis, the clear ideological crusade of the Macedonians, the imperialism of Arabia and the naked conquests by Scadinavia.

We tried for peace and they refuse. The GED's part is just now for those we face are not intreted in justice; they are intrested in their hatred, their greed for prestige, their empires. We stand against these enemies not for our ideology but our survival.

We fight because the other options would say yes to aggression and the options that would lead to peace without saying yes to aggression were refused.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

Your version of peace, ailedhoo, is the following:

Secede all true French lands back to the French and you can have peace.

What you don't understand is that we all got these lands fair and square by attacking a warmonger. Had you accepted my first peace deal, or my second, this wouldn't be a problem.

So, no. N. O.

You will NOT get your lands back. Why? You refused every peace deal I threw at you, and now that you're losing the war you think that we would be willing to give you back our rightful lands?

It simply ain't happening.

If you wanted a peace deal that left you with your lands, deals #1-3 would have been good for you. Now the only peace deal you CAN get, that you deserve, is one where you pay reparations. Fortunately, you can keep your current provinces if you agree to peace. (we keep conquered ones).

This is like a normal citizen making DEMANDS to the President of the United States. You are in no position to threaten us, nor will you emerge with your previous lands from before the war.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Your version of peace, ailedhoo, is the following:

Secede all true French lands back to the French and you can have peace.

What you don't understand is that we all got these lands fair and square by attacking a warmonger. Had you accepted my first peace deal, or my second, this wouldn't be a problem.

So, no. N. O.

You will NOT get your lands back. Why? You refused every peace deal I threw at you, and now that you're losing the war you think that we would be willing to give you back our rightful lands?

It simply ain't happening.

If you wanted a peace deal that left you with your lands, deals #1-3 would have been good for you. Now the only peace deal you CAN get, that you deserve, is one where you pay reparations. Fortunately, you can keep your current provinces if you agree to peace. (we keep conquered ones).

This is like a normal citizen making DEMANDS to the President of the United States. You are in no position to threaten us, nor will you emerge with your previous lands from before the war.

We made it clear the 5 lands were of French SOI. You had plenty of land to expand into. You refused even when other powers adviced. Hence that is why we had to organise a rush to try to gain our claiments. If not for our plans somehow being revealed we would have gained what we wanted. Peace would have been a easy pick for you.

Never the less: we will not fall. Our S.U.D.S will resist Nazism and the Imperialists. With our allies we will defend ourselves. Macedonia and Arabia refused to leave our land and citizens alone. They came for a ideological crusade and imperialism, just as the Nazists came against France from their hatred. The German Empire is currently being invaded by another imperial power. The world has entered into a conflict between justice and imperialism. Justice, which the GED represents, must be the conclustion. Gaia rises!

 

[Daedwartin]

The SUDS seems to share our dream in one day uniting the world under socialism. However sadly we have to reject the alliance offer at this time.

We want to avoid war for as long as necessary and have more pressing matters to attend to. Should the SUDS still find its self under fire in 2-3 *turns* (the OP makes it unclear how long a turn is) we will reconsider the Nazi threat, but at this time in saddens me that we have to turn away from such a great socialist nation.

Meanwhile, it is clear that a noble goal of any central planner is to create a sustainable and resource independent nation, but sadly Austria at this time has not yet reached this noble goal.

It is for this reason that Comrade Janica, in his infinite wisdom, has decided to reach out to the republic of venice in hopes to entering a trade agreement.

We also hope that the leader of Venice sees it wise to cede some land along the border with Austria so that Austria has access to the sea. We hope Venice sees virtue in our proposal and will make a swift and pleasing response.

Illustrated here are 5 brown territories under you control. To be fair on you, we ask that you cede 2 of them of your choice.

We accept the trade agreement. we also cede The long strip, and the one directly bordering it to its north that looks like a chicken nugget, in return for some resources(2XP). We hope for a solid, peaceful, and profitable relation.
We also promise that every citizen of Venice will receive a share of the profit of all Trade with SUDS and Austria.
GAIA REBORN! GAIA RISES!
OOC:/e a mysterious and loud echo of GAIA RISES! Is heard from behind....not funny XONES. Not funny.

 

[christos200]

Macedonia laughs at the french Socialists. Your arrogance will be your downfall. You lost the war. Accept it and re-build your country. Expand in Spain. End this war that kills millions of people.

 

[ilduce349]

We accept the trade agreement. we also cede The long strip, and the one directly bordering it to its north that looks like a chicken nugget, in return for some resources(2XP). We hope for a solid, peaceful, and profitable relation.
We also promise that every citizen of Venice will receive a share of the profit of all Trade with SUDS and Austria.

That sounds perfectly reasonable and fair and I accept the offer. You can have that 2 XP this turn, so I guess I only need to claim 3 territories.

edit: @Deadwartin: the long strip is actually two territories (at least based on the way you are describing it) should I just claim that. here is the map zoomed in for a better look:

 

[christos200]

By the way, SUDS posted a link of the refusal of the peace, but did not posted a link to the peace treaty itself. That is outright propaganda to start a war between Macedonia and Austria. We hope that Austria will see who are the imperialists.

 

[Ailedhoo]

By the way, SUDS posted a link of the refusal of the peace, but did not posted a link to the peace treaty itself. That is outright propaganda to start a war between Macedonia and Austria. We hope that Austria will see who are the imperialists.

You mean this deal we suggested for you to leave France and return its land to the SUDS, including the puppet state you set up? Or the deal (OCC: post 364) which the Venicians offered a fair deal that was rejected by Macedonia?

Remember: it was Macedonia and Arabia who took a regional issue and decided to use "intervention" as a justification for imperalism, especilly when the mandate was proven false and let they still claim to thier policies, of what clearly is a ideological crusade on Macedonia's part and a imperial chance for Arabia.

We should we stopping the German Empire from its invaders and ensuring France is free from Nazis. Instead we also have to deal with two other imperial powers that have ill motives.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

Regarding "Returning of Lands"

I lost provinces to Imperial Germany.

Did I whine?

Did I complain?

Did I demand they be given back?

No. I TOOK THEM BACK. If you want your provinces, ailedhoo, come and get them. Don't get other people to get them for you. If you want something, get it yourself.

Don't drag other people into the mess you created and let fester.

 

[christos200]

Macedonia will protect the small nation of Gaul from French aggression. Gaul is an independent nation. Accept it.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Macedonia will protect the small nation of Gaul from French aggression. Gaul is an independent nation. Accept it.

"Gaul" is your puppet state, a imperial tool for you. You are not doing the work of liberty. You are doing the work of imperialism.