IOT XV: Clanking of the Swords

[Tambien]

As for the 15 provinces, I'm on mobile so I can't really see the map right now, but I'd like my 5 extra provinces to be both parts of Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Missouri.

 

[Mathalamus]

change the three European provinces for three provinces in Anatolia. the large one on the south and two others at your discretion.

Anatolia is the heartland of the ottoman Empire. we must secure it first.

 

[Ailedhoo]

The deal we offered was recognition of your claims to Mexico (not including any territory formwely held by the United States) in exchange for your recognition of our claim on the Carribean. The only other diplomatic hand we had reached out was a proposal to draw sphere of influence borders in Mexico.

Perhaps we can agree to a modified Mexico-Carribbean Deal. We can split the two regions equally (ie we both have the same number of provinces between the two regions), generally along a North-South line. The CSA must, however, have Cuba in any such deal.

Also, your comparison of Texas and Cuba is flawed. Cuba is not right next to your core regions as Cuba is to ours.

Just so we're clear, Texas was never on the table. Even if you had persisted in your folly, the CSA would never have allowed you actual entry into the Western Territory.

We are alas unable to honour a deal that would give you hold total on the Caribbean and not just because we hold Jamaica. The Panama Canal requires security and we hence would find it... tense to see the Caribbean the whole of the CSA. However we can draw maps.



We basically want to secure our trade routes, plus Cuba. We entrust that you will be thankful of our suggestion you hold a Napoleon stopping state to be your blue. This is draft map but the basic is simple; we need our trade security. We hope however that your control of Haiti, for Cuba and Haiti could become a link trade network, will serve as a grander non-aggression pact.

If needed we are prepared to attend a conference between us on the matter. We are willing to give up the northern Mexican border. We are also would love to invite foreign powers to help restore order to the grey "free to grab" parts of the map.



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OOC: oh 15 provinces now?



I purpose this. Might as well secure what I planned to get, plus trade security...

 

[Tambien]

The CSA cannot allow you control of Cuba. However, we are prepared to give you all of the Carribean besides the Bahamas and Cuba, as well as all of Mexico besides the three northernmost unclaimed provinces.

You clearly get the better end of this bargain. We will not accept anything less.

 

[Ailedhoo]

The CSA cannot allow you control of Cuba. However, we are prepared to give you all of the Carribean besides the Bahamas and Cuba, as well as all of Mexico besides the three northernmost unclaimed provinces.

You clearly get the better end of this bargain. We will not accept anything less.

We need Cuba for our own mil... we mean civil purposes. We do not want the whole Caribbean; Haiti for instance has value to you symbolically for the revolution. The Spanish speaking population in Cuba will benefit under our order. As long as we both abide by a non-aggression pact you need not worry.

Now we have thrown out our claim to Texas; you should the same with Cuba, especilly as we just remembered we already have it now (OOC: thank the 5 more claims; 1 was needed). Don't worry; the Cuban will surely fear Florida as Florida must fear Cuba to you. We are prepared to allow a CSA base in Cuba.

OOC: say NN; could Cuba be split West and East? I would take the Eastern half.

 

[Tambien]

Haiti is worthless. Cuba or nothing. Again, we cannot allow you a base that close to our homeland.

OOC: Seriously. You can have Mexico, you can have the rest of the Carribean. The CSA must have Cuba and the Bahamas.

EDIT: And isn't it the slightest bit ridiculous in your mind that you're claiming islands relatively far away from your land when you don't even, technically, have a navy?

In addition, drop the Texas BS. It was never going to be yours, so you dropping claims is worth nothing.

EDIT2: Furthermore, is it not OP and purely bad manners to use extra start claims we just got to put a claim on an area we've been disputing? That's why I did t put one of my claims on Cuba. However, since I posted my list of 5 new provinces first, I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask that I get Cuba instead of Missouri. Unless, of course, you decide to not make it one of your 5 new start claims.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Haiti is worthless. Cuba or nothing. Again, we cannot allow you a base that close to our homeland.

OOC: Seriously. You can have Mexico, you can have the rest of the Carribean. The CSA must have Cuba and the Bahamas.

EDIT: And isn't it the slightest bit ridiculous in your mind that you're claiming islands relatively far away from your land when you don't even, technically, have a navy?

In addition, drop the Texas BS. It was never going to be yours, so you dropping claims is worth nothing.

Haiti worthless? I guess you do not heed your traditions and respect of a peoples after all... and they call us "reactionary."

We are aware of the closeness to your homeland but if you ensure a non-aggression pact with us and we are even willing to restrict any military shipping in north Cuban shores to light patrol boats.

OOC: please do not bring it up to OOC and attack the player directly. Argue with the nation, not the player; such is a proper IOT conduction.

Also: I have already dropped Texas and now you have fully added to your 15 claims I add Cuba with our 15 claims.

Navy will be a priority of mine for the Panama Canal needs protection.

EDIT2: Furthermore, is it not OP and purely bad manners to use extra start claims we just got to put a claim on an area we've been disputing? That's why I did t put one of my claims on Cuba. However, since I posted my list of 5 new provinces first, I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask that I get Cuba instead of Missouri. Unless, of course, you decide to not make it one of your 5 new start claims.

OOC: I claimed Cuba before thee for your editing notion will get hold before you.

 

[Tambien]

OOC: please do not bring it up to OOC and attack the player directly. Argue with the nation, not the player; such is a proper IOT conduction.

OOC: Not attacking you, giving you OOC reasons why I don't think you should have Cuba that don't fit in the in-game national rhetoric.

 

[Ailedhoo]

OOC: Not attacking you, giving you OOC reasons why I don't think you should have Cuba that don't fit in the in-game national rhetoric.

OOC: the way you wrote it was otherwise...

Still: Cuba fits in strategic trade purposes/Latin.

 

[Sonereal]

I hope neither of you get Cuba.

 

[Tambien]

OOC: the way you wrote it was otherwise...

Still: Cuba fits in strategic trade purposes/Latin.

And Cuba is even more strategically important to the CSA than to Panama.

I hope neither of you get Cuba.

I vote that Iberia gets Cuba so we can have a 3 way argument

 

[Ailedhoo]

OOC: an argument to derail the game?

For the sake of the players this should get settled now. I suggest we ask for Cuba to be split to two provinces, east and west. I will has the east.

IC: we are not disallowing our naval and trade security, plus interrogation area, plus the Latin populace in Cuba is a consideration. The East of Cuba is of importance to us.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

Cuba will be split but you will have 0 IC per "new" province.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Understood. Peace in our time.

 

[Mathalamus]

the ottoman Empire bets that the CSA will declare war on Panama sometimes.

 

[Sonereal]

 

[Ailedhoo]

The Imperium demands that the Ottoman stop trying to start a war and that they should stick out of affairs that do not concern the security of the Ottoman. Need I remind the Ottomans that we are striving for a alliance with Rome?

 

[Sonereal]

My favorite part about demands is when the country making them lacks any force projection.

 

[Ailedhoo]

We are basically tired of the Ottoman remarks; it came more as wanting war than avoiding.

When your making a militaristic power demand to be careful what one does in case it may cause war then you have a interesting turn of affairs. We are dividing Cuba for peace. Any war from this would be a violation of interest.

 

[Mathalamus]

The Imperium demands that the Ottoman stop trying to start a war and that they should stick out of affairs that do not concern the security of the Ottoman. Need I remind the Ottomans that we are striving for a alliance with Rome?

yeah yeah yeah. alliance with Rome, vague threats of war, blah blah. we wont actually take part in the war, just betting that one will happen. doing that does not put you in a good light, basically using threats to keep others in line. doesn't work.