Iran about to get wiped from the pages of history

[Trajan12]

Quite frankly, if the US invaded/declared war on Iran, I'd hope that Europe and the Middle East/Asia would turn on the US.

Wow I hope everyone in US allied countries are this loyal!

 

[CaptainF]

No we should ALL be UNITED in our fight against Iran.

Hah, coalition of the willing anyone?

 

[BasketCase]

I find it utterly mind boggling how people can possibly support yet another bloody war against a non-aggressive country.

A few trillion dollars in debt, a few tens of thousands of Iraqi lives lost, 3,000 Americans dead, the trust of the world lost, 4 years of time wasted, terrorists bred and raised, resources down the drain, an economy wrecked, a castrophe that will take generations to heal, a civil war in the making...

Did you prefer the way we used to do things? Specifically, look the other way and pretend nothing was happening, when, say, a couple hundred thousand people got slaughtered with machetes in Rwanda?

Yes, Iraq is a little messy right now, but it's better now than when Saddam was running it.

 

[CaptainF]

Did you prefer the way we used to do things? Specifically, look the other way and pretend nothing was happening, when, say, a couple hundred thousand people got slaughtered with machetes in Rwanda?

What could we have done anyway? They wanted to kill people, so they would have regardless.

Besides, how have things changed anyway? Thousands are dying in Darfur, and we don't give half a crap about it. Yet we are altruistic to Iraq, laying down everything to pull them from the cesspool of Baathism...

Bottom line is that we only ever help countries when it serves our interests. Except, ironically enough, this little foray hasn't helped us at all.

Yes, Iraq is a little messy right now, but it's better now than when Saddam was running it.

"A form of government that is not the result of a long sequence of shared experiences, efforts, and endeavors can never take root."

--Napoleon Bonaparte.

 

[Whomp]

There's no reason to mess with Iran. Let their government destroy the economy by themselves then there's no excuses.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

Our fight against Iran

Our? tenchar

 

[CenturionV]

It will be a bit yet before the US/Israel makes a move on iran.

Iran is a ways away from a bomb.

Even if they get a bomb it would most likely be a clumsy test device, not anything even remotely deliverable.

The US knows they are pretty close (like next couple of years) though, so they are starting the propaganda machine early to make sure they leave there options open. Iran is getting in the news almost as much as iraq is these days.

 

[VX250]

Iran is wearing out its welcome.

 

[Kraznaya]

It will be a bit yet before the US/Israel makes a move on iran.

Iran is a ways away from a bomb.

Even if they get a bomb it would most likely be a clumsy test device, not anything even remotely deliverable.

The US knows they are pretty close (like next couple of years) though, so they are starting the propaganda machine early to make sure they leave there options open. Iran is getting in the news almost as much as iraq is these days.

Stop pretending that this is the real US motivation to invade Iran. After all, every day when I wake up North Korea is still strutting around.

 

[Old Spice]

Hey I thought you where supporting me Kraznaya!

There is nothing to fear about Iran even if they had a bomb it would be to big to deliver to the USA.

 

[Quiet Sound]

Yes, Iraq is a little messy right now, but it's better now than when Saddam was running it.

Link
About 90 percent of Iraqis feel the situation in the country was better before the U.S.-led invasion than it is today, according to a new ICRSS poll.

Link
Torture may be worse now in Iraq than under former leader Saddam Hussein, the UN's chief anti-torture expert says.

Link
Iraqis Endure Worse Conditions Than Under Saddam, UN Survey Finds

...

Data from the survey indicates that 23 percent of children between six months and five years suffer from chronic malnutrition, while 12 percent suffer from general malnutrition, and 8 percent experience acute malnutrition.

...

Nationwide, 40 percent of families in urban areas and 30 percent in rural areas reported living in neighborhoods where they can see sewage in the streets.

Iraqis are not fairing much better with respect to clean sources of water. The survey indicates that only 54 percent of households nationwide have access to a "safe and stable" supply of drinking water.



Just a few links I had saved.

 

[Nick Garai]

Interesting point Pasi. I wonder what would happen if state governors started announcing that they wanted independance from the united states.

Maybe it's about time that Texas leave the union???

And I strongly doubt that Iran would "fall" under the US so quickly. Iran and the rest of the Muslim world would be enraged at any US invasion leading to the US having to divert MASSIVE resources to other parts of the globe. Even the US does not have the resources for a Global American-Islamic World War.

Unless the States were prepared to commit mass genocide of the 60+ million citizens of Iran, they may find themselves backing out of Iran and doing nothing more than infuriating the Islamic world.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Did you prefer the way we used to do things? Specifically, look the other way and pretend nothing was happening, when, say, a couple hundred thousand people got slaughtered with machetes in Rwanda?

Actually yes. Its not the job of the U.S. to protect those people. The United States government and U.S. army is created soley for the Protection of the United States and its citizens, if you want to protect Rwandans, join the Rwandan Army.

 

[Bad Player]

I think the point is, and a good one, that the USA should be consistent with regards to when it helps countries.

 

[BasketCase]

Just a few links I had saved.

I've seen a whole lot of others in addition to those three. Don't take this the wrong way, but your three links were a small amount of paint applied to a very large canvas; the overall picture hasn't changed noticeably.

Stuff was wrong before Saddam was deposed; stuff is wrong now. Hell, stuff is wrong in the U.S. at this moment; the majority line in the States is to take our chances with the stuff that's wrong instead of implementing a dictatorship to correct said stuff which is alleged to be wrong.

I think the point is, and a good one, that the USA should be consistent with regards to when it helps countries.

Not gonna happen. In this respect, we're no different from any other developed nation: we can't help everybody at once because we don't have the resources, but all the poor nations are yelling and screaming at us to donate stuff.

The rest of the world doesn't want us to be consistent.

 

[ravensfire]

The rest of the world doesn't want us to be consistent.

That's an interesting point.

The US, and many of the other large developed nations, get a great deal of flack for "not doing enough" when it comes to the ongoing violence throughout the world. Coups, civil wars, death squads, etc. The comment of "Just send in UN Peacekeepers - surely the US or Europe can spare a few troops!" is heard by many activists.

Troops from these nations, however, often are not welcomed by many nations going through this strife - often for purely petty politics. Larger nations are also unwilling to contribute significant troops to the UN Peacekeepers for various reasons. Unwilling to have soldiers under command of another, corruption within the UN, and extremely unclear directions (see the Rawandan genocide).

Critics keep saying that the US shouldn't be the world's policeman. However, if nobody else is willing to step up, should the larger nations of the world work to correct the problem? How do you do that when sanctions just won't work?

-- Ravensfire

 

[ravensfire]

Interesting - Iran claims they aren't supporting the Iraq insurgency, but some weapons sold to Iran are ending up in the hands of the insurgency.

And we're not talking little rifles here - $10,000 Austrian .50 sniper rifles, and over 100 found.

The guns were part of a shipment of 800 rifles that the Austrian company, Steyr-Mannlicher, exported legally to Iran last year.

12.5% of $10,000 rifles lost? Who let Halliburton run their inventory control!?!?

The sale was condemned in Washington and London because officials were worried that the weapons would be used by insurgents against British and American troops.

Think there's a few "I told you so" messages going around now?

-- Ravensfire

 

[Steph]

The guns were part of a shipment of 800 rifles that the Austrian company, Steyr-Mannlicher, exported legally to Iran last year.

The US should immediately make plan to invade Lithuania!

 

[zenspiderz]

Anyone heard of TBR news. link for The Beltway Insider's take on the bogus 'Iran supplying Iraqi militants with weapons' propaganda. Enjoy.

 

[Quiet Sound]

the overall picture hasn't changed noticeably.

Iraqis think it has, apparently.