Iranian concrete nuke bunkers

[Core Imposter]

I don't see my position as being extreme. Here is a quote by a mainstream liberal politician:

"The Iranian regime under President Ahmadinejad has spoken openly about wiping Israel off the map, has fueled Hezbollah's terror campaign in the region and around the world and defied the world community in its pursuit of nuclear weapons -- capabilities that make these threats even more ominous," Romney said in a letter to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon posted on his campaign Web site, www.mittromney.com.

In New York, Romney told reporters: "I think the invitation should be withdrawn. I think instead, Ahmadinejad should be indicted under the Genocide Convention."

 

[kramerfan86]

We support terrorists too, regional revivals utilizing third party terrorists to cause trouble for rivals is pretty much first page of the playbook geopolitics. And once again, the president doesnt even have the authority to wipe Israel off the map, he is a loud mouth figure head.

 

[bugwar]

Frankly, given some of the posts in this thread, I'm beginning to think I'd rather Iran had nukes than the US....

Nah. I am pretty sure that none of the posters have anything (other than as a voter) to do
with the control or use of nuclear devices and their delivery systems currently.

I could be wrong, but even if so, that is one of the reasons for the 'two-person rule'.

Besides ya think the Iranians are any more level headed? Listen to their President sometime.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I don't see my position as being extreme. Here is a quote by a mainstream liberal politician:

"The Iranian regime under President Ahmadinejad has spoken openly about wiping Israel off the map, has fueled Hezbollah's terror campaign in the region and around the world and defied the world community in its pursuit of nuclear weapons -- capabilities that make these threats even more ominous," Romney said in a letter to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon posted on his campaign Web site, www.mittromney.com.

In New York, Romney told reporters: "I think the invitation should be withdrawn. I think instead, Ahmadinejad should be indicted under the Genocide Convention."

Oooooh, smart wait to play global politics. Threaten to lock up the guy you disagree with. That'll get him to play ball. Even better: At the same time, undermine the sole institution with the ability to resolve the conflict peacefully.

 

[bugwar]

Ya know, if the Iranian people themselves get motivated to stop the nuke program, perhaps no one has to bomb (or counter-bomb) anyone.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...c95678-0d7e-11e2-a310-2363842b7057_story.html

 

[Core Imposter]

Bless you for that link. Wonderful news. Romney should address this tonight and challenge Obama to encourage the protests.

 

[Ajidica]

You do know those protests, despite protesting the Iranian governments poor economic policy, are also protesting the US trade sanctions which severely damage their currency?

 

[bugwar]

You do know those protests, despite protesting the Iranian governments poor economic policy, are also protesting the US trade sanctions which severely damage their currency?

I am REALLY GLAD to read that reminder from you.

Now, if the citizens of Iran want the sanctions lifted, all they have to do is convince their leaders to give up nukes. Their choice.

 

[Ajidica]

I am REALLY GLAD to read that reminder from you.

Now, if the citizens of Iran want the sanctions lifted, all they have to do is convince their leaders to give up nukes. Their choice.

Why would they want give up the nuclear weaponry? The Iranian leadership has set itself up as the only Muslim country in the Middle East that isn't a lapdog of the West (ie: they aren't Saudi Arabia or the Gulf Princes). Their leadership decided that no matter how much money they put into their convention weapons, they will never be the equal to America and will perpetually get pushed around and forced to submit to Western political whims (such as with the sanctions). Nuclear weapons are the ultimate deterrant. The Iranian leadership believes that simply the threat of being able to deploy a nuclear weapon would be enough to scare Western nations away from trying to push them around and treat the Middle East as an unruly colony.
All of this sabre-rattling about Iranian nuclear weapons is playing into exactly what the Iranian government has been telling the populance: the West doesn't want a strong and truely independant Iran so they threaten to attack us unless we do what they want.

 

[Core Imposter]

The last thing we want is to force them to give up their pursuit for nukes. We need that as a reason to pursue regime change. There is no grudge against the Iranian people. We need to remove the Islamic Fundamentalist Regime and see that a true secular government is installed and functioning.

We will now have to fix Eygpt as well. Obama has made a mess of things.

 

[Ajidica]

There is no grudge against the Iranian people. We need to remove the Islamic Fundamentalist Regime and see that a true secular government is installed and functioning.

That worked out so well last time we tried installing a government in Iran.

 

[Core Imposter]

You do know those protests, despite protesting the Iranian governments poor economic policy, are also protesting the US trade sanctions which severely damage their currency?

Not so much.

 

[Core Imposter]

That worked out so well last time we tried installing a government in Iran.

Things were under control under Carter's weakness led to the Shah's outster. This stuff always happens under weak liberals.

 

[bugwar]

Why would they want give up the nuclear weaponry?

Um, to stop the economic pain?

The people are rioting in the streets, not parading in mass displays of solidarity with the fat cat theocracy.

Unless civil disorder against the established government is considered a good thing for the regime in power?

I get confused when involved with Iranian apologists, is black actually white to them?

 

[King Kalmah]

I am REALLY GLAD to read that reminder from you.

Now, if the citizens of Iran want the sanctions lifted, all they have to do is convince their leaders to give up nukes. Their choice.

UMMM...yeah the people have no control....the god of islam would have to tell the Ayotolloah face to face to give up nukes...since the common man isn't educated enough(to the mullah's) to understand why Iran needs a nuke....

It'd be like if that Preacher from Southern Alabama was President and ran America...

"We need to kill the evil heathens with nukes" would be the first thing one of these hard core preachers would say....

same thing is going on in Iran...basically a bunch of extremist are imposing their will on the people....

why die or fight if tomorrow is the same old same....?

 

[Core Imposter]

Amazing how quickly things are falling apart in Iran right after Bibi had the guts to draw a red line.

 

[Ajidica]

Things were under control under Carter's weakness led to the Shah's outster. This stuff always happens under weak liberals.

Tell me, how did Carter lead to the Shah's ousting? All I can remember is that Carter gave some very light criticism of the Shah's undemocratic nature and of the brutality of the SAVAK.

I get confused when involved with Iranian apologists, is black actually white to them?

Keep on guessing because I'm no apologist for the Iranian government. They may not be the nicest government in the world and they are pursuing some nutty policies, but when viewed from their perspective those policies make sense.

 

[kramerfan86]

Amazing how quickly things are falling apart in Iran right after Bibi had the guts to draw a red line.

Yea Im sure it has more to do with the guy constantly threatening to bomb iran threatening to bomb Iran than it does the Euro sanctions really taking hold from a few months ago.

 

[Core Imposter]

Yea Im sure it has more to do with the guy constantly threatening to bomb iran threatening to bomb Iran than it does the Euro sanctions really taking hold from a few months ago.

Warfare is already underway you know. Cyberwar and economic sanctions. Off shore Iranian funds have been frozen. Not unlikely that agents of the Great Satan are involved in "helping" this currency collapse.

Bibi's action was more than a threat. It was a promise. I think this is the way he pins down the domestic support for a strike. And it was a pyschological blow to Iran. Acts as a force multiplyer, making the sanctions more effective.

The regime will likely resort to some armed confrontation and try to blame Israel or the US for initiating it in a last ditch effort to shore up domestic support. They may well blow up some of their own people and point a finger outward.

 

[bugwar]

Recent Iranian visitor:

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htamph/articles/20121009.aspx