Iranian couple fired due to "secret background checks".

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from http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/n...00&en=e6be7f2f13c911f2&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt

Mystery Cloaks Couple's Firing as Risks to U.S.
By JAMES DAO

Published: December 12, 2004



ORGANTOWN, W.Va. - May 5, the day that changed Aliakbar and Shahla Afshari's lives, began like most others. They shared coffee, dropped their 12-year-old son off at Cheat Lake Middle School here, then drove to their laboratories at the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, a federal agency that studies workplace hazards.

But that afternoon, their managers pulled the Afsharis aside and delivered a stunning message: they had failed secret background checks and were being fired. No explanations were offered and no appeals allowed. They were escorted to the door and told not to return.

Mrs. Afshari, a woman not prone to emotional flourishes, says she stood in the parking lot and wept. "I just wanted to know why," she said.

Seven months later, the Afsharis, Shiite Muslims who came from Iran 18 years ago to study, then stayed to build careers and raise three children, still have no answers.

They have been told they were fired for national security reasons that remain secret. When their lawyer requested the documents used to justify the action, he was told none existed. When he asked for copies of the agency's policies relating to the background checks, he received a generic personnel handbook.

Without any official explanations of why they failed their background checks, they came up with their own theory: their attendance, more than five years ago, at two conventions of a Persian student association that has come under F.B.I. scrutiny, once with a man who was later investigated by the bureau.

The Afsharis' case comes at time when immigrants from many nations, but particularly Islamic ones, are facing tougher scrutiny from government agencies in the wake of the attacks of Sept. 11.

Unable to clear their names or find new employment in their field, the Afsharis on Thursday resorted to that most American of recourses: they sued the institute and its parent agencies, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health and Human Services, demanding back pay and reinstatement or the chance to appeal the firings.

The Afsharis, who passed background checks when they were hired - he in 1996, she in 1997 - were not even aware of the new reviews until they were told that they had failed.

In their suit, they do not question the government's right to conduct background checks. But their lawyers contend that the Kafkaesque nature of the process - in which the rules were unclear and perhaps unwritten - has made it impossible for them to defend themselves.

"How can we expect the people of the Middle East to emulate our democratic ideals abroad when we fail to apply those ideals to people like the Afsharis here?" asked Allan N. Karlin, a lawyer in Morgantown who, along with chapters of the American Civil Liberties Union in West Virginia and Washington, is representing the couple.

The Centers for Disease Control has said the Afsharis were not singled out because of their ethnic background, asserting that other Iranians and Muslims have faced similar background checks and passed. The agency also notes that the couple, who are not citizens and do not have protected Civil Service status, could have been fired at any time.

But the agency has declined to say anything else about the case and did not respond to requests for information about its policies on background checks. "All I can say is the Afsharis are no longer employed by C.D.C.," said a spokeswoman, Kathryn Harben.

Federal employees have always faced routine background checks, typically when they are hired. But experts say that since the Sept. 11 attacks, checks at certain agencies, including the disease control centers, have become more frequent and tougher as the government attempts to identify potential security leaks or spies with access to classified or dangerous materials.

Those tougher checks seem to have focused on immigrants from certain countries. A C.D.C. document obtained by the Afsharis shows that the recent background checks on them were ordered because they came from a "threat" country, Iran.

So people are fired because they came from Iran 18 years ago!
 
Secret firing needs a very good reason. There doesn't appear to be one here, although the Bush Admin lies so much they might very well have hidden one.
 
Why? Not enough is known to make an informed decision.

This has nothing to do with racism, though; the thread title's just phrased to be inflammatory.
 
God forbid they sell the secret of how most back injuries happen to Al Quida.

However, it's not an issue of racism. It's xenophobia. My mom, who was born in the UK, was denied a PR job in the Department of Transportation (post 9/11) for being foreign-born. When she was in the Army, they wouldn't let her into codebreaking for the same reason. She couldn't sue for the latter because of a Supreme Court decision back in the 50's. She can't really challange the latter either. While she was denied for no other reason than being foreign born, she can't prove it. Nor can I, to be honest.
 
Zulu, are you only on this board to convince us how evil USA is? There's bad things going on everywhere, but you only make threads when there's something bad going on in America. I actually remember when you had "So sick and tired of Americans" written in your sig.

It's sad what CFC is becomming, a war on words between haters on both sides of the Atlantic. People like you, SN and Sharpe are only here to make the other continent look bad it seems, and you're dragging the rest of the board down. Why don't you just make a EU versus US thread and battle it out there?

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Erik Mesoy said:
Secret firing needs a very good reason. There doesn't appear to be one here, although the Bush Admin lies so much they might very well have hidden one.
Where does Bush come into this?
 
Fetus4188 said:
Where does Bush come into this?

Bush and the government are non-separable entities. Bush controls everything, including the hiring/firing policies of low-level government employees in West Virginia.
 
I don’t think there’s enough information in the article to say the firing was done because someone was racist, this coming from someone who has Indian ancestry. But if I found an article that had a similar situation in happening in the UK but I titled the thread, “more Goddamned racism from the UK” you think that would be acceptable? Sounds like a troll title to me. My mom has been in the country for years but she has yet to encounter racism from any employers or the average Joe.
 
But that's only because your family comes from an Uncle Tom country India, that U.S. corporations are allowed to exploit!

Whoops, looks like I pulled a zulu! ;)
 
I have to agree with some of the others. There are not enough facts present to form an opinion on this matter. What I will say is that there needs to be disclosure as to why they were fired and opportunity to challenge that decision.
 
storealex said:
It's sad what CFC is becomming, a war on words between haters on both sides of the Atlantic. People like you... are only here to make the other continent look bad it seems, and you're dragging the rest of the board down. Why don't you just make a EU versus US thread and battle it out there?
I could not agree more. It seems to me that there should be more effort to come together in a group as intellectual as this one, but instead, what we see for the large part is constant effort to push ourselves further away from one another. Our governments are all friends, albeit with strained relations at times, so why is there such animosity here?

On topic: What does history teach us? Putting Japanese-Americans into internment camps was pointless. There should not be such fear of Arab-Americans (by the way, I hate any term that has -American at the end...this whole PC thing is ridiciulous) who have lived and worked within our borders for so long. But at the same time, better to be over-inclusive than under-inclusive, right (not actually my opinion--just demonstrating the thought process here)? It is hard to think rationally when something so terrible hits home. This is assuming that they were actually fired for unjustifiable reasons--which we should not assume.
 
Yaype said:
This is assuming that they were actually fired for unjustifiable reasons--which we should not assume.

Although I can't prove something is wrong here, I always get bad feelings if organisations (especially governmental organisations) refuse to give the necessary information. And therefore I guess that the chance that they are fired for unjustifiable reasons is greater than the chance that they are fired for valid reasons.

One other point (not related to your post). IMHO this topic has nothing to do with racism
 
We don't yet know all the facts of the case, why are we jumping to conclusions? What is there is a legitimate security reason, what if these people were sleeper agents for Al-Queda or something?

All that I am trying to say is that we do not have enough information. this is made out to be a story of some innocent Iranians being picked on bty the Government, but there could be legitimate security issues here that the Government cannot disclose for legitimate reasons, like if they said the reason, they might jeopardize other people's lifes. Sheesh, CFC is getting reactionary.
 
RealGoober said:
Sheesh, CFC is getting reactionary.
Getting? ;) :lol:
Maybe you mean getting even more so...
 
It's sad they should be denied work. This IS against the law. The Iranian family should take this to court and show the world why we're the greatest country.
 
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