Iraq 4 years on: facts and figures:

Can I suggest a new rule?

That all debates relating to the current Iraq War will inevitably descend into an argument about the validity of statistics.
 
Can I suggest a new rule?

That all debates relating to the current Iraq War will inevitably descend into an argument about the validity of statistics.

The corollary would, of course, be that it's the fault of the left wing.
 
What left wing friend? Since when was I left wing? Oh right: never.

Being against the Iraq war isn't "left wing". It's "sane".

I ponder then, what political affiliation you consider yourself as when you believe conservatives are stupid and you can't say Fox News with out changing the "Fox" into "Faux" or putting quotes over "news" as well as posting threads about how stupid you think the right is without ever for a moment considering that perhaps your prefered information sources could also have their own bias and agenda?

Sure, the situation in Iraq is complex, but "deаth" does indeed sum it up nicely.

No it doesn't. Not in the Kurdish areas and in parts of the south.

If you're going to make the insane statement, "But look at the good that's going on in Iraq," then just don't bother.

I never said Iraq is going well. Its a war zone and terrrible things happen. However, I still do not believe you are getting the whole story on all of Iraq nor do I believe you are interested in it.
 
Good post. I still believe that Bush should just get us out of Iraq. I don't really like our troops getting killed.
 
I ponder then, what political affiliation you consider yourself as when you believe conservatives are stupid and you can't say Fox News with out changing the "Fox" into "Faux" or putting quotes over "news" as well as posting threads about how stupid you think the right is without ever for a moment considering that perhaps your prefered information sources could also have their own bias and agenda?
The fact that I recognize that Fox isn't news doesn't make me a liberal.

For the record, I'm an independant (not a moderate). Just independant. Nothing else.

I never said Iraq is going well. Its a war zone and terrrible things happen. However, I still do not believe you are getting the whole story on all of Iraq nor do I believe you are interested in it.
I'm not interested in "balance" if that's what you're getting at. "Balance" in the news is a fraud.
 
sonorakitch and 2Pac, thanks. :thanx:

The fact that I recognize that Fox isn't news doesn't make me a liberal.

For the record, I'm an independant

If your so independent, perhaps you could tell me whether or not you see bias in the left as well or if you can tell me if there are any left-wing news sources you "recognise" isn't news?

(not a moderate).

can't disagree there.

Just independant. Nothing else.

Yet, you seem so heavily biased toward the left..

I'm not interested in "balance" if that's what you're getting at. "Balance" in the news is a fraud.

What are you trying to say?
 
I ponder then, what political affiliation you consider yourself as when you believe conservatives are stupid and you can't say Fox News with out changing the "Fox" into "Faux" or putting quotes over "news" as well as posting threads about how stupid you think the right is without ever for a moment considering that perhaps your prefered information sources could also have their own bias and agenda?
So the definition of left wing is someone who questions Fox News? What do you think people identified themselves as before Fox News started?
 
If your so independent, perhaps you could tell me whether or not you see bias in the left as well or if you can tell me if there are any left-wing news sources you "recognise" isn't news?
There aren't any clear left wing news sources that I know of except Air America, and that's not really news, but rather talk radio. But NPR, CNN, BBC, ABC, CBS, etc., aren't left or right; they're just news. Al Jazeera is outrageously biased. I don't know of every news agency on Earth so you're going to have to provide some you think are left leaning, whatever left leaning means.

Also: keep in mind that bias can never be done away with -- it can only be minimized.

EDIT: Hey, I just realized something. You're looking for balance! Balance is a fraud. You're wrong to attempt to find balance. It doesn't exist.

Yet, you seem so heavily biased toward the left..
First of all, define "left". Second, what specifically makes you think I'm biased to the left? If you're going to say, hating Bush and being against the Iraq war, then you're going to have to try harder, since those have nothing to do with being a leftist.

What are you trying to say?
I'm trying to say that there is no such as "balance" in the news. Anyone who attempts to give you balance or says he's giving you balance is lying to you. In other words, balance = propaganda.

Here's what I wrote about it in the past.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=194741
 
But despite their differences, 58% overall said they wanted Iraq to remain a unified country. Almost all said they did not want Iraqi to be broken up along sectarian lines.

Of course, they just want the country to remain unified under their beliefs. Well, at least we exported one ideal of American democracy. :rolleyes:
 
It's only left wing to O'Reilly, Hannity, and Fox "News" fans. In other words, it's [BBC]* not left wing.

YnetNews
LONDON – The British Broadcasting Corporation has been struggling for several years against criticisms and claims of biased reporting concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and distorted coverage of the global fight against terror.

Following a diplomatic incident with Israel, the BBC appointed an editor known for his objective reporting, however, the true stance of the corporation’s editors remained the same.

An internal memo, recently discovered by the British media, revealed what the BBC has been trying to hide. Senior figures admitted in a recent 'impartiality' summit that the BBC was guilty of promoting Left-wing views and anti-Christian sentiment.

Most executives admitted that the corporation’s representation of homosexuals and ethnic minorities was unbalanced and disproportionate, and that it leaned too strongly towards political correctness, the overt promotion of multiculturalism, anti-Americanism and discrimination against the countryside.


Okay to trash Bible, not Quran

A truly shocking revelation to come out of the summit was expected to invoke a storm in Britain, which has already reached the boiling point with regards to the treatment of Muslims and the issue of the veil.

For the purpose of illustration, the executives were given a scenario in which Jewish Comedian Sasha Baron Cohen would participate in a program titled ‘Room 101’, a studio program where guests would be asked for their opinions on different issues, and allowed to symbolically throw things they hated in a garbage bin.

The executives were asked what they would do if Cohen decided to throw ‘Kosher food’, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Bible, and the Quran in the garbage bin.

The executives said they would allow everything to be thrown in the garbage bin, save the Quran, for fear of offending the British Muslim community.


According to the ‘Washington Times’, the BBC also reportedly revealed that its executives favored interviewing terrorist leader Osama bin Laden if the opportunity arose.

Among other issues raised in the summit was the question of whether or not veiled women should be allowed to read the news. The BBC’s diversity editor said that since news anchors were allowed to wear crosses, any news anchor should be permitted to wear anything they wished, including the veil.

One senior BBC executive admitted to the ‘Daily Express’, "There was a widespread acknowledgement that we may have gone too far in the direction of political correctness. Unfortunately, much of it is so deeply embedded in the BBC's culture, that it is very hard to change it."
*My bold

Oh wait, are you still saying the BBC isn't left wing biased? :o
 
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