Originally posted by Elden
The way you've got that quote saying Elden wrote then what Mega Tsunami said without my quote in the middle makes it look like I said that so could you remove the line Elden wrote: please, thanks
Done.
Originally posted by Benderino
@Phoenix, Scotland and Wales could be considered colonies a long time ago.
I disagree. English occupation was too short and was hardly of a colonial setup when it came to the people in power. As for Wales, for 3 centuries it was, in a strange position. Under the control of England but with no real organised authority (from the English). When the act of union came it was more an effort to annex the country and eradicate any Welsh culture. So Wales was never a colony of England.
Originally posted by Benderino
Ireland still is being used as a colony
I don't think that's a fair comment.
Originally posted by Benderino
but it is recognized NOW that Scotland and Wales aren't anymore
I don't believe they ever were in history considered colonies. But the way you capitalise now seems to stress that it's happening only in this modern time. No. Wales and Scotland have been recognised as nations within the union for centuries. Don't forget they are part of the UK, not England; those are two different things.
Originally posted by Benderino
The definition of colony is this:
"A group of emigrants living in a new land away from, but under the control of, the parent country"
Um, Wales, Scotland and Ireland were never colonised by England. They aren't counties of English emigrants (though there were plantations in Northern Ireland). And Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's not an overseas holding of the UK, rather it's part of it.
Originally posted by Benderino
The duration of it being a colony matters little. The 13 North American colonies were only colonies for less than 150 years (except Jamestown, but even that was less than 200). YEt these are still considered colonies. Ireland has been under English control since when? 1200-1300? That's a lot longer.
Um (again), Northern Ireland isn't under English control. England hasn't existed as a state for 300 years.
Originally posted by Mega Tsunami
Sorry if I upset you but I never said anything about you holding us back. You are most definitely not. It is a fact however that more money is spent per person on health and education in Wales and Scotland than in England. I just happen to think that the poor in England are more deserving than the not-so-poor in Wales and Scotland.
What I mainly said however was that I was fed up with all your whinging at us and in your post you proceeded to show exactly what I was talking about.
Your independence would be good for both Wales and England. Then we wouldnt have to have these sorts of arguments.
This is disgusting. You clearly think we're holding you back and that the UK exists at the expense of England ('money sucking former colonies').
It's a fact that more money is spent per person on health and education in Wales? Yes of course, we should thank you for giving us the longest waiting lists in the UK. And the excellent situation of health services in Wales was clearly demonstrated when 600 people had to queue for hours to see the dentist in Camarthen this week. You see, they've never had one from the NHS before.
And education? We have massive shortages of teachers across the country and large numbers of rural area schools are being forced to close every month due to a lack of funds. This is forcing pupils into schools that already have inflated class numbers and teacher shortages.
'I just happen to think that the poor in England are more deserving than the not-so-poor in Wales and Scotland.'
There is far less money in Wales than in England. Wales is home to the most poverty stricken areas of the UK. We are certainly not economically better off as a people and do not have preferencial treatment from London.
So exactly what are you trying to say with that comment? That people in England are more deserving than people in Wales in general? That people in Wales are better off but still get favourable treatment from the government?
'What I mainly said however was that I was fed up with all your whinging at us and in your post you proceeded to show exactly what I was talking about.'
What? Your post did nothing but criticise Wales (and other nations of the UK) for living off England's wealth and having a detrimental effect on England. For this reason you stated your belief that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland should growp up, stand on their own two feet and go it alone. So you complain about Wales and talk of the superiority of England, citing entirely fabricated reasons and complain when I correct you? Because apparently, I am the one who's complaining? Well far from living like kings off the English wealth, the reality is more like English exploitation of the country. Rather different to your twisted view of the situation. But you expect to complain and whinge at Wales, for reasons that are simply not true, without any retaliation. Yet, I am unable to point out the flaws in your argument (such as the rather major flaw that none of it's true), I am unable to point out the true nature of the situation in the country and your complete ignorance of it, as I will simply be another 'whinging Welsh'? It is your attitude I have a major problem with. The political situation here is nothing like you make it out to be yet you see it as fine to slam my country anyway. If I complain when you so blatantly lie about my country then I am just typically Welsh?
Wake up. The situation in Wales is worse than in most places in the rest of the UK, you criticise Wales for living off English wealth and are suprised when somebody complains? It's you who has the problem, you don't realise how good you have it with this union. Whinging English.