Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Claiming Sonora, Taumalipas, and Mexico if they're free. Why not, try something new, I like boardgames anyway.
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King
Kingdom of Scotland
Capital: Edinburgh, Scotland
Territories: Guiana, Gold Coast
Color: Dark Blue
Government: Constitutional Monarchy with a Parliament
Leader: King Charles IV Stuart
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Empire of Mexico
Capital: Mexico City (in game Mexico province)
Colour: lime green (hex value 4CFF00)
Government: Federal Constitutional Monarchy (Emperor Agustin I de Iturbide/Prime Minister Pedro Celestino Negrete)
Claims:
History:
With the colonial Empire of Castille being in turmoil and the various colonies breaking off, the struggling Mexican independence movement, seeking independence from the Aragonese, received a massive shot in the arm. The various guerilla movements coalesced into the Army of the Three Guarantees (the three aims agreed upon by the united leadership - a Mexican constitutional monarchy in Commonwealth but independent of King Leopoldo III of Aragon, equal rights between Criollos and Peninsulares, and the preservation of the Catholic church's traditional rights, privileges, and status as the official church of Mexico). The Army of the Three Guarantees chased out the Aragonese in 1821, after which the leader of the Army, General Augustin di Iturbide, offered Leopoldo peace under those terms.
Leopoldo refused the offer, and furthermore pledged that Aragon would block any attempt by any European prince to take up the throne. With a vacancy on the throne of Mexico and the Army of the Three Guarantees demanding that someone step up and take it, Augustin di Iturbide had himself crowned Augustin I, Emperor of Mexico, with the approval of the Mexican National Congress, Mexico's new legislative body.
Many of Mexico's more liberal leadership found this intolerable, being opposed to the monarchy in the first place and seeing Augustin I as a Mexican Caesar. With criticism of his rule mounting, Augustin dissolved the Congress. Furious, other generals in Mexico revolted, led by Santa Ana in Veracruz.
The resulting Mexican Civil War lasted for four years. The Republican forces were eventually defeated by the Imperials in central Mexico, but the outlying provinces in California, Texas, the Yucatan, and Central America were lost to the government in Mexico city. Forced to accept their loss, the Empire of Mexico signed peace with the rebels in the outlying territories.
Since then, Augustin I has reinstated congress and held democratic elections twice (1826 and 1830), the second resulting in the recent election of centrist Prime Minister Pedro Celeste Negrete. The Empire continues to preserve the status of the Catholic church, which is becoming more contentious of late, but has recently banned the practice of slavery in all provinces of the Empire.
Wade-Giles is the only reason I can think of to bring back death penalty.
That extends to TK, unfortunately.![[pissed]](/images/smilies/pissed.gif "Pissed [pissed]")
Ah, but technically it's not Wade-Giles, it's Chinese postal map romanisation.
They're attached to Kyushu
Tentative claims so far:
Yes, though I'm not sure how you could make a country like that work. Historically all of those places are sparsely populated (but populated enough to make ruling areas that far apart and culturally different difficult, especially Madagascar) and you only have a period of about 100 years prior to the game start date to play with history. And you're right, none of those places were colonised prior to 1831 except for Tasmania which was a penal colony. And they wouldn't be until the late 19th century.
At the moment I'm sorry to say it looks very much outside the realms of plausibility. I suggest something more geographically compact (eg Chile, Patagonia, and either of Atacama, South Pacific Islands or New Zealand, something like that; having Chile would give you some sort of economic base)
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Yes, though I'm not sure how you could make a country like that work. Historically all of those places are sparsely populated (but populated enough to make ruling areas that far apart and culturally different difficult, especially Madagascar) and you only have a period of about 100 years prior to the game start date to play with history. And you're right, none of those places were colonised prior to 1831 except for Tasmania which was a penal colony. And they wouldn't be until the late 19th century.
At the moment I'm sorry to say it looks very much outside the realms of plausibility. I suggest something more geographically compact (eg Chile, Patagonia, and either of Atacama, South Pacific Islands or New Zealand, something like that; having Chile would give you some sort of economic base)
Hmm, right. I did like the idea of forming a nation out of three different colonies though. So even if I can make sense of for example Chile, Patagonia and something in the Pacific together I would have to rework the concept of my nation a little, since Chile and Patagonia are pretty similar (and Madagascar+Tasmania was really what added that 'of the Southern Seas' bit). I'll look into it later today (and possibly do some heavy reworking).
Edit: I changed my claims to Patagonia, Chile and the Southern Pacific Islands. My country is still named the Patagonian Republic of the Southern Seas (as the Patagonian mainland connects both the Pacific and the Atlantic oceans), but my original post has been edited to account for the changes in history and such that I had to make.
Here's a map of my new claims:
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I believe Florida belongs to Calgori and the Crown of Aragon along with Sicily and Catalonia.
erez87
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Doesn't it make it 4 territories?
Calgori
Rapture's Best & Brightest
The Crown of Aragon confirms that La Florida is under the rule of Leopoldo Chuán III d'Aragón, our beloved King.
Nope. Catalonia, Sicily and Florida equals 3 territories.
Yeah, that seems to be the case. Sardinia is probably part of the Sicily territory and Corsica part of Lombardy.
Calgori
Rapture's Best & Brightest
You should change your history, Spanish Colonial Empire was divided between Castille and Aragon in 1715. We haven't decide how colonies were splitted, but, as Aragon still conserve La Florida, maybe it was a northern/southern division. That's up to you.
I put in the history of my Patagonian Republic that Patagonia and Chile are former Castilian colonies (mostly because the name Castilian Chile had a nicer ring to it than Aragonese Chile
), so a northern/southern division sounds reasonable considering what we know as of now.
filli_noctus
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This discussion concerns me (and probably all the other South American players) so I'll throw in my ideas so we can hash out exactly what happened regarding the Spanish/Portuguese colonies.
I think Gran Colombia would have secured independence from whichever of the Iberian states inherited it sometime around 1808 led by Francisco de Miranda, probably with help from Britain/Scotland (either covert or as part of a larger conflict). Does that interfere with anyone's plans for their history?
X-post: Colombia would likely be on the border of a north-south split so I'm happy to go with whichever Iberian power fits in best with other people's stories as Colombia's former motherland.
Calgori
Rapture's Best & Brightest
Patagonia background supports the idea of an Aragonese North and Central America and a Castillian South America.
Well, maybe colombia was splitted in both sides, being a conflictive area which surely lead colombian people to rebellion.
Well, maybe colombia was splitted in both sides, being a conflictive area which surely lead colombian people to rebellion.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Aight, I'll swap out any mention of Spain with Aragon and change up the name of the monarch to Leopoldo III (the current Aragonese monarch, if thats alright with Calgori).
Though a straight north-south split is kind of weird. My history was very, very heavily based on the real-world war of Mexican independence and the immediate aftermath so yeah. I don't think a whole lot will change.
ed: fixed it so that almost all mentions of Spain are changed to Aragon, all mentions of Ferdinand are changed to Leopoldo. Hope thats better.
Though a straight north-south split is kind of weird. My history was very, very heavily based on the real-world war of Mexican independence and the immediate aftermath so yeah. I don't think a whole lot will change.
ed: fixed it so that almost all mentions of Spain are changed to Aragon, all mentions of Ferdinand are changed to Leopoldo. Hope thats better.
I didn't draw it in, but yes, you can assume you have all of Polynesia except Hawaii and New Zealand.
And approved.
I'll probably end up giving Corsica to France. Anyway, yes, those islands aren't their own provinces.
