Iron and Blood - Game Thread

[kiwitt]

GM: The full state of diplomatic affairs will become clear in my second 48 hour cut-off update.

 

[Double A]

This brings Siam (and the rest of the Accord) into violation of the Treaty of London. Canada was supposed to be left alone! I demand stability hits for all of the Accord for this blatant violation of the Treaty. Think of the poor Canadians!!!!!!!1!11!!!1!!!!1!!!!

 

[momo1000]

Holy smokes... I am so confused... who is at war with who now???

 

[kiwitt]

Holy smokes... I am so confused... who is at war with who now???

GM:see here

 

[choxorn]

 

[Double A]

My thoughts exactly.

 

[GamezRule]

I didn't declare war on Bosnia.

 

[Double A]

Did you miss the part where it had nations we don't, or the part where it said "The Onion?"

 

[BSmith1068]

Regarding my good friend Siam's recent declaration against Colombia - surely he was a little overwhelmed by all of the "activities" of the past few weeks and had a few telegrams crossed. I am sure as soon as he comes to his senses he will retract the declaration against Gran Colombia.



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[bestrfcplayer]

What the hell just happened?????

 

[Double A]

It involves a certain creek, no paddle, and going upstream.

Regarding my good friend Siam's recent declaration against Colombia - surely he was a little overwhelmed by all of the "activities" of the past few weeks and had a few telegrams crossed. I am sure as soon as he comes to his senses he will retract the declaration against Gran Colombia.



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Well, kiwitt canceled my DoW, so it hardly matters.

 

[GamezRule]

FRANCE

A look at the Palace of Versailles, which now houses the European Parliament​

Patrice de MacMahon had had a wonderful close to his presidency. First he saw a peaceful end to the Basque rebellion, and then he saw the transition to a new government. The industrial output of the nation reached new highs. But most importantly, in 1886, the Basques laid down their arms and rejoined the Spanish Republic. With that out of the way and the country reunified, he set about gaining a new constitution for the Republic.

In 1887, the European Republic was formed, a federation of the various states throughout Western Europe. The French Parliament could suspend the European Parliament and take it's role in case of a national emergency. The President of France would gained the title of President of the Republic, and still was only elected in France. The other states that were members in the Republic were the Lowland Republic, the Republic of Naples, the Roman Republic, the Republic of Aragon, the Madrid Republic, the Republic of Portugal, the United Republic of England and Wales, the Scottish Republic, and the Republic of Ireland. They all elected officials to parliament, based on population, however, the presidential

The Parliament of France maintained most of the power to make foreign policy, but the European parliament would be responsible to direct most social policy, and provide general direction for the Economy. The yearly central budget is created by the Parliament of France, but each state has a high degree of control over their own spending, as well as a high degree of control over their own economic policy.

The world was shocked when the Emperor of Tawansitsuyo was disposed by communist revolutionaries, and the Communist party began to be repressed by the government. However, when communism turned into war in Asia, the first "Red Scare" began, public hysteria began over the possibility of a communist takeover in Europe, and in 1888 the communist party was outlawed.

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President Jules Simon​

In 1888, shortly after the European Republic was formed, Patrice de Mac-Mahon decided that he had had enough of the presidency and all it's baggage, and he resigned. An election was quickly held in two months. The National Liberals made a surprising comeback when they elected Jules Dufaure, however, despite taking a huge lead in Parliament after losing it for several years due to the Red Scare and unhappiness with the governments non-interventionist policy when the world began to erupt in war, Felix Faure decided to run independently again, and managed to once again give the vote to the conservative candidate, Jules Simon.

His powerful speech skills soon began to convince the population that neutrality was indeed the best policy, and but he also convinced them that France must continue to build up her tools for war, and that the only way to keep her freedom was by though the Accord.

The Accord had become mostly irrelevant to French Policy ever since the Afghanistan dispute, as it had obviously divided into two factions, ATK on one side, and the western nations remain loyal to the Accord. However, with the rise of Communism, the Accord suddenly became relevant again. Although President Simon refused to enter the war, Frances close ally, Swaziland, entered to fight Tawansitsuyo. France in fact could not enter the war, as she had obligations.

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Members of the Irish Liberation Guard​

Most people in Europe had never seen the horrors of Slavery first hand. French economics were progressive to say the least, and most "wealthy" people had very little more then the poorest. Although people knew that Slavery existed in Ireland, the British had done a good job of convincing the world that here slaves were treated
well. However, when Ireland was liberated by Swaziland during the Channel War, news of the horrendous conditions the Irish slaves soon became known to the world. Upon hearing news of the conditions, orders were sent out for the British King to be taken to Dublin to be hanged, drawn, and quartered. Other British officials were simply executed on the spot.

Although Swaziland gave the Irish their freedom from the British oppressors, they could not provide much to help them, and most were forced to return to sharecropping, barely a step above Slavery. The Irish only made up about 70% of the islands population, due to British rule and immigration. However, when the French gained total control of the island in 1886, educators soon came to the land, and within two years, the Socialist Party, providing the former slaves with total control over their production, became the most popular thing in Ireland after potatoes and leprechauns. In 1888, the Socialist Party was elected to power in the Irish Republic, with a landslide election of 73%. Although when the French gained control over the island there were no factories, they had build a thriving industrial base on the island, and to show support for the liberated Irish, they turned over the factories, and promised to build more for them in the coming years. In 1889, the Irish Liberation Guard was formed in an act of the Irish Parliament, to secure the freedom of the Irish in case the British population on the island would try to seize power, something the Grande Armee would never allow to happen anyway.

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When the European Republic was formed, the Grande Armee became the military force of it, instead of just France. Each state was required to provide a certain number of forces for the Armee. The French Army was formed to cover the French requirement, although the military was to be mixed, to promote unity. The Irish and English Armies were allowed to be separate, for obvious reasons, but they were planned to also be joined together under one command also. This meant that no longer did France alone have total control over the military, although they did retain a considerable degree of influence. This meant that Europe was one step closer to unification.

 

[arya126]

Kiwitt this is CRAP. Do not tell us you wont change it just to be 'consistent'. If something needs to be changed, especially a rule, then it is your job as GM to make such a change, screwing consistency over if you must. Consistency be damned if it means a game where we dont have to have 3 pages of 'Lolwut?' and 'What the hell just happened?' and 'I declare war on the GM!'. NO. YOU have to take charge, YOU have to make the change, and YOU have to make the RIGHT one.

Use common sense for one. Would Peru REALLY have declared war on the entire ATK if they had known only a single country in the ATK had attacked its ally? No, I highly doubt they would have made such a stupid move. You DID NOT EVEN GIVE THEM A CHANCE by telling them what they had did wrong in a PM/VM/or even this thread, and let them change it! It doesnt matter if it was in the first 48 hours or not. By common sense, we know who the heck they are DoWing and why. Xian. Since Han and Siam arent officially in on the war this turn (which seems to be a crap ruling anyway (crap for lack of a better word without getting me an infraction)) any response declarations (as it was a response declaration against the ATK in general and whole in return for supposedly attacking Boj China) against them should be invalid, therefore Peru is ONLY AT WAR WITH XIAN.

Kiwitt there is such a simple solution to all of this:

The ATK vs. Comintern (AKA in this case, Boj China, Gran Colombia, Peru)

Please, just this once, go with the way that makes complete sense. Rules be damned, listen to us players. I find it hard to believe that anyone could possibly have a problem with this. It has the entire ATK against Boj China, and the 2 communist countries that are standing by its side. All other DoWs like swaziland are invalid now.

Please Kiwitt, dont cite stuff like consistency and listening to the players and crap like that, then turn around and do the opposite of what players are saying, especially the players who are being the most vocal and who seem to have the majority *ahem*. Heck, I even got california to agree with me! Right now is when you decide whether to follow your 'consistency' with rules, or follow it by listening to players. I suggest the latter.

EDIT: I BLAME THE ATK, XIAN IN PARTICULAR, FOR POOR WORDING AND NOT LISTENING TO THE GM, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN THIS EXTREMELY CONFUSING AND STUPID CRISIS. I ALSO BLAME PERU FOR NOT WAITING UNTIL THE RESPONSE DOW PERIOD AS KIWITT SEEMS OBSESSED WITH TECHNICALITIES INSTEAD OF COMMON SENSE.

 

[choxorn]

As a member of the UNA who directly lost as a result of the CSA being unable to declare war on turn 1 in the Canadian War, I can say that I don't care if this current situation is consistent with that one- let the war be between the ATK and Comintern, because that makes the most sense.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Anyhow, here are my points;
1: I will not allow another nation to take action for another unless I receive a confirmation PM. i.e. you can not act diplomatically for others.

Why? Why not? We're all agreed on an action, why needlessly spam you when we can just put it all in a neat declaration of war? This is a case when all the members of my alliance have agreed on an action, we're not some bloated alliance the size of the UNA with a million different opinions, we're a solid bloc that works and decides on things together, why shouldn't we be able to work like that?

This stands because to change it now, would be unfair to other nations who also had wars.

e.g. The Canadian war was a case in point. The C.S.A. did not declare war, so the rest of the U.N.A. allies could not use its territory for an invasion into Quebec and the outcome could have well been a lot different.

Yes, that was a case of dissenting opinion, there is no dissenting opinion here. We're all agreed on the action, if we weren't, I wouldn't have declared war in the first place! What, do you think I act unanimously?

As I see it, Xi'an declared war on Boj China on behalf of the ATK, and I was expecting confirmation PMs to this effect and I would then have shown their names on the DoW cutoff notice.

Notice in my declaration of war, I am not writing from the point of view of Xi'an, I am writing from the point of view of the ATK. The DOW is a collaborative effort written collaboratively, I just happened to post it. So if there's any DOW at all, it wouldn't be from me.

Tawantinsuyo, then declared war early on the ATK in response, assuming that the whole ATK had DoWed. This meant that its declarations of war on Southern Han and Siam are new DoWs and the one on Xi'an is really a response DoW (which I have now corrected above). Had Tawantinsuyo waited until after the first 48 hour cutoff to do a response DoW, the DoWs on Southern Han and Siam would have been disallowed, as I only would have shown Xi'An versus Boj China, because I did not get confirmations.

Why don't you just make it so war is war? Why needlessly categorize things? Seriously, this is just getting silly. ATK declared war on Boj China. Boj China's allies have a chance to respond to that war, that's it! No need to make this anymore complicated than it needs to be.

@Xi'an - the reason you do not get many scientific events is because you do not have much expenditure in science, in comparison to others. Texas for example has 20 times as much scientific points as you and therefore 20 times as much chance to get an event. btw: "Boj China" could also be considered an event, albeit an adverse event.

I'm not talking about scientific events, I don't care about those. I'm talking about the "sudden" gold rush in the Mughal Empire, or when Japan got a major boost to it's armies and navies. And how now suddenly there's an entire state popping up where I spent IC into attempting control, all lost now. You seem to deliberately derail any sort action by Xi'an, and by extension the ATK.

EDIT: I BLAME THE ATK, XIAN IN PARTICULAR, FOR POOR WORDING AND NOT LISTENING TO THE GM, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN THIS EXTREMELY CONFUSING AND STUPID CRISIS.

Blame me for what? Being snubbed once again?

And what poor wording? The DOW is pretty damn clear all three members of the ATK are declaring war on Boj China; that's why I bolded our names and the DOW. Seriously, it can't be more clear than that. And as I said above, the DOW is not from my point of view, it is a document from the view of the ATK, I just happened to post it. It was collaboratively written. So if anyone's at war, it's all of us or none of us.

EDIT: And you know what, I might just had let this pass over quietly and worked around it, if it hadn't been the fact that in every single conflict the ATK has been in, the GM has either thrown disaster at us, or aided the enemy immensely. AFAIK, this is just another "event" in a long line of making things hard for me and the ATK.

 

[momo1000]

So if anyone's at war, it's all of us or none of us. [/I]

Alright then, none of us are at war Let's just put this behind us so when were all old and wrinkly nations we can all laugh at the time Arya was the voice of some reason. Until then, we can go back to arguing about communism and AA can call us some more names (the monkey one is my favorite so far)

 

[Joecoolyo]

That wouldn't work, because it was our intent this turn to go to war. It's strategically important.

If we let is slide, everyone already knows whats going to happen next turn, and SURPRISE, things are once again going to be hard for the ATK to accomplish whatever we set out to do.

If anything, I would vouch for a turn reset, but even then that's nowhere near in our favor, just as bad as waiting a turn.

 

[kiwitt]

GM: OK ... feedback taken on board from you guys, based on confirmation information received from TK the deputy GM.

Exceptional Ruling in this case only: Xi'An, Southern Han and Siam have declared war on Boj China and Tawantinsuyo has declared war on Xi'an, Southern Han and Siam in the initial phase.

Allies of of the five nations a free to declare war on any of the five nations within the next 20 hours. However, take care as you have N.A.P.s in place., which can be breached and cause instability to you and your allies accordingly.

In future, all I ask is that I am duly informed via confirmation PMs ... because I will not accept joint actions without this normally.

As to events ... there have only been 10 turns or so under my control and over 20 nations, so each nation will be sure to get an event of some sort in due course.

 

[choxorn]

Does Gran Colombia or Swaziland's already delivered declarations already count, or do they have to do them again?

 

[kiwitt]

GM: I think they need to confirm again from now on, as the latest ruling changes things somewhat. Plus they need to consider their respective N.A.P.'s etc.