Is Day Zero likely or not?

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Part I (the hypothesis and an account of DZI)


The hypothesis is the following: some day in the future (maybe a century from now, maybe later; possibly not much sooner) a new mental illness appears. It cannot be accounted for with current models but - more importantly - it doesn't seem to be possible to account for it even by considerably reworking the models, and this is due to its specific traits:

The illness (let's call it the Day Zero illness) causes lack of ability to assign meaning to anything, however it isn't due to conscious decision or philosophical examination: the afflicted simply loses the mental ability to secure a stable basis for assigning meaning to things. For example, a professor afflicted with the DZI will no longer be able to keep in his/her mind what the subjects of the course are, or (progressively) any other mental construction they build and altered through the years. It is important to notice that DZI does NOT bring about a selective erasure of memories; memories may still be there, in theory, but you no longer have the ability to stabilize them and use them as a basis for thinking. So in effect you cannot make use of any memories or learning you may have had.


Part II (a scenario about drugs being unable to react and a hypothesized reason behind DZI)

Given this hypothetical illness causes rapid progression of inability to stabilize any thoughts or fossilize them in the form of specific examinations of things which occupy you (eg work, human relations, health etc), let us assume that drugs can not reverse it, and at best would stop for a while any further deterioration. Which wouldn't be a real help, given already the afflicted has lost their life.

At some point it is theorized that DZI is not an illness brought about by trauma or external stimulation, but by a built-in defense mechanism of the mind itself. Like the Fire of Heraclitus, human thoughts keep morphing into any shape their director (the individual thinker) can imagine, however it becomes apparent with DZI that the ability to think had always been not a gift to man (as was poetically presented in myths; Prometheus etc) but a defense mechanism by the mind itself so as to assure a hidden equilibrium in the mind-consciousness relation. Some obscure trigger, perhaps in pananthropic ways of thinking or relating information, perhaps something not even presentable in thoughts, now has caused a severe feedback to the loop of that defense mechanism, and everyone afflicted with DZI is experiencing the immediate, drastic and irreversible reaction. In effect, so as to prevent complete collapse, the mind brings about a state of aphasia, but one not identified as an individual condition given that now the patient population is a large part of all humans - and set to steadily grow.


Part III The question


Do you consider an illness like DZI as possible to appear in the near - or not so near - future? Or do you view such an illness as unlikely or even impossible?
 
that seems about as likely as that fungus that kills ants spreading to humans and making us all zombies
 
You'd have to do some research with proper neurologists to figure out how and if such an affliction could happen. Seems quite specific.

I have no idea, myself, but I suppose that if at all possible, it could be some kind of engineered virus. From a dramatic standpoint, optionally following the trope of being the delayed effect of a benign treatment/drug gone awry after a considerable amount of people have been exposed to it. An anti-vaxxer's misanthropic fantasy.
 
You'd have to do some research with proper neurologists to figure out how and if such an affliction could happen. Seems quite specific.

I have no idea, myself, but I suppose that if at all possible, it could be some kind of engineered virus. From a dramatic standpoint, optionally following the trope of being the delayed effect of a benign treatment/drug gone awry after a considerable amount of people have been exposed to it. An anti-vaxxer's misanthropic fantasy.

Intuitively, I think it is possible it will appear.

Rationally, one may consider the following as well:

-not much time has passed since the first use of language (by prehistoric people) to this day, so it can be assumed that only a negligible part of the possible mental calculations/connections has occured

-there is no direct survival bonus through ability to think in complicated manner; on the other hand there is arguably an cost-effective logic in disabling great freedom in self-examination

However it may take centuries for that to happen.

At any rate, it is just my guess - there are so many unknowns about the mind that this may too be impossible to actually happen. One reason why it would be unlikely is that, ultimately, if so grave a danger was built-in a system, it would make more sense to never allow as an option the expansion of ability to think in the first place.
 
that seems about as likely as that fungus that kills ants spreading to humans and making us all zombies
Read "Cold Storage".

I agree that a fungus is more likely.
 
I'd go as far and say this has already happened, not by a microbe, not by virus, but by the hand of man. DZI as You call it, is a state that patients (mostly unwilling - suffering from various mental illnesses) expressed after the lobotomy. (Their frontal lobe was severed from the rest of the brain which has caused them retain all the basic functions, but they were not able to form any creative thoughts or do anything except when instinctively. In essence they were alive but they were nothing more than "animals" or in worst cases "plants". Various materials researchers gathered shown that they can be taught the similar way animals are taught (some even played musical instruments using their motor-memory they retained from before the procedure), but cannot perform any "higher" functions nor reason. I'll restrain posting any links to videos because in my opinion they are inhumane. No need to say soon enough the procedure of lobotomy was banned worldwide and is considered crime against humanity.

*edit (at least by me) I was wrong , I just checked out it is not straightforward banned and some form leukotomy might be still practiced - It's unbelievable , removing human emotions is also removing all that makes us human imho.

I do not know if the Day Zero is likely but just what if an insane maniac ruler would hire equally insane maniac scientist to develop a chemical that would perform "lobotomy" en masse on unwilling population via releasing the agent to the air. That seems very unlikely, but having a docile and obedient mass of people that can perform every task would seem like "enough" incentive for a maniac to pursue it.
 
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Intuitively, I think it is possible it will appear.

Rationally, one may consider the following as well:

-not much time has passed since the first use of language (by prehistoric people) to this day, so it can be assumed that only a negligible part of the possible mental calculations/connections has occured

-there is no direct survival bonus through ability to think in complicated manner; on the other hand there is arguably an cost-effective logic in disabling great freedom in self-examination

However it may take centuries for that to happen.

At any rate, it is just my guess - there are so many unknowns about the mind that this may too be impossible to actually happen. One reason why it would be unlikely is that, ultimately, if so grave a danger was built-in a system, it would make more sense to never allow as an option the expansion of ability to think in the first place.
I suppose it's a matter of figuring out which parts of the brain would need to be affected for the desired effects to take place.

If said parts are fairly disparate and unrelated, there's not much of a chance a natural agent would be able to hit them collectively without affecting a far greater portion of the brain and causing more severe, immediate problems. Like, you know, rapid deterioration and death.

However, if the aforementioned parts are relatively connected and/or belong to the same cluster of... things, then it seems (feels, at least) more naturally plausible for them to be afflicted by something in common, result in your target disability and not be immediately life-threatening.

Just idle thoughts.
 
I suppose it's a matter of figuring out which parts of the brain would need to be affected for the desired effects to take place.

If said parts are fairly disparate and unrelated, there's not much of a chance a natural agent would be able to hit them collectively without affecting a far greater portion of the brain and causing more severe, immediate problems. Like, you know, rapid deterioration and death.

However, if the aforementioned parts are relatively connected and/or belong to the same cluster of... things, then it seems (feels, at least) more naturally plausible for them to be afflicted by something in common, result in your target disability and not be immediately life-threatening.

Just idle thoughts.

Afaik, even if people lose ability to construct connections in a way usual to them (eg after some head accident), they can still learn to create similar connections using other parts of the brain. However the hypothetical illness here is not only affecting one part, but either something potentially identified/sensed by the person as continuous (an ability - to assign meaning to constructed thoughts or groups of thoughts etc) or only possible to function as continuous (being not a neuroscientist I have little to no idea if this latter case is realistic).
 
However the hypothetical illness here is not only affecting one part, but either something potentially identified/sensed by the person as continuous (an ability - to assign meaning to constructed thoughts or groups of thoughts etc) or only possible to function as continuous (being not a neuroscientist I have little to no idea if this latter case is realistic).

I'm not sure I follow this.

Damage to the Wernicke's area can cause impairment in comprehending language (while damage to the Broca's area is more associated with expressing language).

Thought disorder might have something, too.
 
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