Is Isreal overacting?

[Sh3kel]

If you think that will stop this conflict dead in its tracks, your pretty nieve. Hezbollah arent destroyed yet. Parts of Lebanon are completely wrecked. Its a bit more complex than 'Now Jimmy if you return that chocolate bar to the shop im sure everything will be all right'

It actually is that simple. If they release our boys back and stop shooting rockets into Israel, we'll stop pummeling them into a pulp.

 

[Eli]

Don't blow me out of the water here, but don't these substantially address Arab greviances to Isreal?

These are Palestinian grievances. The Lebanese Shiite Hizballah are a whole different group entirely. Before 2000 they had a valid reason to fight, Israel was occupying South Lebanon. But then Israel withdrew to the international border, a withdrawal that was recognized by the UN.

Does every Arab or Muslim group can attack Israel endlessly because of the Palestinians? Sorry, but no. The Hizballah has no valid reason whatsoever.

 

[happy_Alex]

They must have at least some motivation. It can't all be just mindless violence.

 

[Mott1]

They must have at least some motivation. It can't all be just mindless violence.

Yes, their motivation is the Quran and their objective is to destroy the state of Israel. Is it that difficult to understand?

 

[Sidhe]

Yes, their motivation is the Quran and their objective is to destroy the state of Israel. Is it that difficult to understand?

Yes it is, and I agree there not exactly a model of diplomacy to say the least, but then neither is Israel All sides have a lot of work to do before peace blossoms in the middle East(we could do without Hezbollah, but that which does not kill them seems to make them stronger) Give it three generations and you never know?

It's hard for me at least to pick a country with the moral highground, pre Sharon it was Israel but since then there has been alot of feuling of hatred, so the measuring stick has slid somewhat.

 

[happy_Alex]

These are Palestinian grievances. The Lebanese Shiite Hizballah are a whole different group entirely. Before 2000 they had a valid reason to fight, Israel was occupying South Lebanon. But then Israel withdrew to the international border, a withdrawal that was recognized by the UN.

Does every Arab or Muslim group can attack Israel endlessly because of the Palestinians? Sorry, but no. The Hizballah has no valid reason whatsoever.

I don't agree with you. Many younger Palestinians joined more radical Islamic groups when the PLO did not achieve the objectives above. I think that to attempt to de-couple the current crisis from the occupation of Palestine is to be willfully ignorant.

 

[happy_Alex]

Yes, their motivation is the Quran and their objective is to destroy the state of Israel. Is it that difficult to understand?

I agree, they are extremely radicalised, but I think that palestinian question is the cause of this radicalisation.

 

[Princeps]

Yes, their motivation is the Quran and their objective is to destroy the state of Israel. Is it that difficult to understand?

You hardly need religious excuse to fight against Israel. They don't fight because "koran says so", they fight because their lives are dominated by a foreign power, their lands were stolen, they dignity ripped away... ETC

It actually is that simple. If they release our boys back and stop shooting rockets into Israel, we'll stop pummeling them into a pulp.

It is not that simple. Israel cannot be trusted and they do not.

 

[Mott1]

You hardly need religious excuse to fight against Israel. They don't fight because "koran says so", they fight because their lives are dominated by a foreign power, their lands were stolen, they dignity ripped away... ETC

You hardly need a religious excuse to have grievences towards a state or government, however you do need an ideology to act on these grievences by violent means. In this case religion is the ideology and the Quran is its source.

Their lives are dominated by fundamental Islamic leaders, their lands were never stolen, and there dignity ripped away by the hatred produced by Islam.

 

[Sidhe]

You hardly need a religious excuse to have grievences towards a state or government, however you do need an ideology to act on these grievences by violent means. In this case religion is the ideology and the Quran is its source.

Their lives are dominated by fundamental Islamic leaders, their lands were never stolen, and there dignity ripped away by the hatred produced by Islam.

Politics is their source it's what they stand on, they do not stand by the Koran as I know it, because the Koran as it stands is not by any means an excuse for suicide or the killing of innocents, or Jihad unless it is as a last resort. This is corruption of a religion by fundementalist loud mouths, they are no longer interested in their core tennants, but they will quote things out of context to justify politics that are as devoid of the Muslim belief as the other side is devoid of Christian belief. Even the Zionists were founded on non religous politcal struggle, the Jews to their credit do not use God as a justification for war, but then the Muslims don't either, some small minded minorities do though, but they aren't Muslims not by any stretch of the faith, they are just trying to pervert a faith for political means to convince people to disobey their beliefs with clever rhetoric. Make no mistake there is no religion in any of this, just corruption of faith and the usual aggresive political stupidity.

 

[Gogf]

Could we please have a few more poll options? We wouldn't want to be able to actually figure out what the results are on a larger than regional scale.

I am American and I feel that their actions are absolutely justified.

 

[boarder]

Commonwealth, totally not justified, killing 300+ civilians and winding back a countrys infrastructre by 20 years to get rid of a threat that they created, due to the same circumstances they are doing again. Crazy.
I wonder if the people who voted would feel the same if they where in the situation of living in Lebanon.

 

[Monker]

Does every Arab or Muslim group can attack Israel endlessly because of the Palestinians? Sorry, but no. The Hizballah has no valid reason whatsoever.

One reason may be that Syria supports Hezbollah, and they would like to have the Golan Heights back. It's very good farmland and provides a lot of water, in a region where it is scarce...I believe it provides Israel with a third of its water.

I've always assumed that their main motivation is the palestinians though...

 

[CruddyLeper]

You hardly need a religious excuse to have grievences towards a state or government, however you do need an ideology to act on these grievences by violent means. In this case religion is the ideology and the Quran is its source.

Their lives are dominated by fundamental Islamic leaders, their lands were never stolen, and there dignity ripped away by the hatred produced by Islam.

Yeah, but you are overlooking one of the keystones of Islam... the concept of the Umma. The international fraternity of Islam.

A crime against one group of Muslims is considered a crime against all Muslims.

So this bit;-

their lands were never stolen,

Just isn't true to a Muslim perspective.

As for Israel overreacting, Israel does what it wants to... although I think the numbers of civilian casualties so far are small, compared to the weight of aggression being used.

That will change when Israel goes over to the ground offensive, of course.

 

[Fëanor]

These are Palestinian grievances. The Lebanese Shiite Hizballah are a whole different group entirely. Before 2000 they had a valid reason to fight, Israel was occupying South Lebanon. But then Israel withdrew to the international border, a withdrawal that was recognized by the UN.

Does every Arab or Muslim group can attack Israel endlessly because of the Palestinians? Sorry, but no. The Hizballah has no valid reason whatsoever.

Hizballah reason for attacking and capturing the Israeli soldiers was to exchange them for some of the thousants of lebenese political prisioners that israel has kidnapped from Lebanon, many whom are held without trial or accusation. From the first moment they captured the Soldiers they declared that their intetion was to swap them for Lebanese Political Prisioners.

 

[Mott1]

Politics is their source it's what they stand on, they do not stand by the Koran as I know it, because the Koran as it stands is not by any means an excuse for suicide or the killing of innocents, or Jihad unless it is as a last resort. This is corruption of a religion by fundementalist loud mouths, they are no longer interested in their core tennants, but they will quote things out of context to justify politics that are as devoid of the Muslim belief as the other side is devoid of Christian belief. Even the Zionists were founded on non religous politcal struggle, the Jews to their credit do not use God as a justification for war, but then the Muslims don't either, some small minded minorities do though, but they aren't Muslims not by any stretch of the faith, they are just trying to pervert a faith for political means to convince people to disobey their beliefs with clever rhetoric. Make no mistake there is no religion in any of this, just corruption of faith and the usual aggresive political stupidity.

Indeed religious and political issues are often not easy to seperate in an Islamic context, however every Muslim country in the ME is ruled by a theocratic government in one form or another. Their (Sharia) laws are derived directly from the Quran and their schooling institutions educate their students in accordance to the Quran. In essence, politics and religion in the Muslim World go hand in hand.
You are mistaken when you state that these Islamic fundamental "loud mouths" are no longer interested in their core tenants or purposly misquote the Quran; they are, in fact, the most pious and knowledgeable scholars of Islam. Do you believe yourself qualified and well-versed in the Quran to make that statement? If you truly take the time to learn the Quran you will come to understand it is the core Islamic tenants that are the root cause of the problems of the Muslim World and the crises we see today with Israel and Hezbollah.

 

[Eli]

Monker:

One reason may be that Syria supports Hezbollah, and they would like to have the Golan Heights back. It's very good farmland and provides a lot of water, in a region where it is scarce...I believe it provides Israel with a third of its water.

Of course, that's the real reason. The Hizballah is a puppet of Syria and Lebanon and acts in their interests.

Hizballah reason for attacking and capturing the Israeli soldiers was to exchange them for some of the thousants of lebenese political prisioners that israel has kidnapped from Lebanon, many whom are held without trial or accusation. From the first moment they captured the Soldiers they declared that their intetion was to swap them for Lebanese Political Prisioners.

The whole 3 of them? One of whom is a convicted murdered, the other a Lebanese Jew who spied for Hizballah and some other guy? That's the reason for the existance of the Hizballah? That's the reason for the existance of 15,000 missiles pointed at Israeli cities? That's the reason for dooming Beirut and Lebanon to destruction?

 

[Mott1]

Yeah, but you are overlooking one of the keystones of Islam... the concept of the Umma. The international fraternity of Islam.

A crime against one group of Muslims is considered a crime against all Muslims.

Actually I have not overlooked that at all, the concept of the Umma is by definition fascism. The us versus them mentality prevalent among Muslims. By its very nature this ideology separates man.

 

[zulu9812]

So? Christianity used to be like that. Judaisim is still like that. The "siege mentality" is by no means unique to Islam.

 

[Mott1]

So? Christianity used to be like that. Judaisim is still like that. The "siege mentality" is by no means unique to Islam.

Typical Tu Quoque fallacy. Just because you believe that Christianity used to be like that and that Judaism is fascist(?), does that make the fascist and violent tenants of Islam justifiable?
In every country where Christians are the majority their exists secular governments, Israel is secular. Every Muslim country is theocratic or have failed and mock democracies. Start by focusing on that fact.