banzay13
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So..., maybe you should rename topic?
[RD] Is NATO a threat to Russia? If so, how?
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It's . . . not his?
banzay13
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Ouch. Sorry, you right))
Which I answered. And the answer is that no, NATO is not a threat to Russia. Only a defense against Russian imperial ambitions.
Sure, the US has global power projection abilities that no other nation has. The US has been alone in this since WWII. Even at it's height, the USSR's ability to project power, other than a nuclear strike, has always been regional, and not global. Nothing has changed. The USSR was just a different version of centuries of Russian Imperialism. And Russia's neighbors don't want to be subjects of that empire again.
But by the same token, Russia still does have that nuclear umbrella. So there is no threat to Russia itself.
If Russia was content to just sit there and be Russia, then there is no problems. And Russia would be threatened by nobody.
Except themselves, of course. Russians, starting with Putin, are the ones preying on Russia. And have just about bleed the turnip dry.
The Ukraine war is about, as much as anything else, that Putin has robbed Russia of all that he can. So needs another nation to rob.
Yes, the Putin regime and the oligarchs have pretty much stolen everything that the Russians inherited from the Soviet empire, that they could get their hands on.
No one really cares about Shoigu's announcement about creating new brigades and divisions, because everyone knows that half of the funds will end up in his and the generals and the war profiteers pockets anyway.
No one really cares about Shoigu's announcement about creating new brigades and divisions, because everyone knows that half of the funds will end up in his and the generals and the war profiteers pockets anyway.
As long as NATO members are US allies and US can use their infrastructure, deploy troops, put military bases and weapons on their soil, use shared intelligence data, seaports, airspace, etc., NATO is part of a threat too. Even if each individual member is not.
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if some person was to find the link to these pages in a web search , with no prior experience of this forum , it would help him/her to know some stuff . Like , the initial Russian attacks caused immense negativity here as well and basically no one cares about the number of people who hate Russia . Actually it should have been "officially" declared that the forum supports Ukraine . That would have been no issue . Instead quite a few created an environment that caused a delusion in many that they were fighting trolls and that was a good thing . There has been a strict discipline and that requires providing sources , no commentary accepted and so on . The problem is news are bad . Hence this thread with a lot of commentary . Everyweek some new Western miracle that already existed before February 2024 creates a diversion and these are surely covered in the official place , right ? There should be no need for stuff that creates an emotional high through effort like the first weeks ... Unlike a few readers of these arguments , people here are understandably powerless to do anything about it , so , like please stop imagining you are "fighting" trolls . Russia will win the war , right or wrong does not matter . Only thing that's still unclear is the final tally of casualties .
Verbose
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Then you will have to give us the credit of preparing for the war that will follow Russia's victory and Ukraine's defeat.
Why do you think Macron talks about maybe deploying troops to Ukraine? Becuase if Russia wins, we might as well. No loss. If it makes a difference to keep Ukraine in the fight, a clear win.
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if a next war is to happen it is only because of the people who let this one happen in February 22 , stopped a ceasefire in March 22, prevented an Ukranian victory in April 22 and so on . But then you have put yourself on record that you would fight in that one , is that correct ? Still more than many with the delusions will deign to . Macron has already troops over there , let him be there with them .
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everything would be much clearer if you didn't have so much interest in shutting up people . Like didn't you read enough books to understand that the Russian military system depends on hazing and combat is some ultimate form of it and they get stronger with massive bloodletting and it was that Great Patriotic War thing that kept the Soviets up for the next 40 years and Russia will once again be proud ignoring its senseless actions and immense losses ? Oh yeah , on top of that it will win , too . Even without me pushing . But , if people had not been blinded by carving up to Siberia , the Midterms would still go the way they did and Russians would have a civil war . Yeah , you haven't seen anything yet . ı have like 100 screenshots of posts that might go disappear . Will just have one more . Keep records of your own , if you are keen . Will have a post on the useful idiots thing that repeatedly gets used against me .
R16 is right, though I'd wager he is actually more afraid of the war's outcome if prolonged. Likely with good reason - but I can't play the part of the analogue, since I do realize that what we post means nothing and doesn't affect the future.
People already grow tired of this endless build-up to the end - and not the end of this war, but the general one.
Personally I never saw any such prospect of "the right side of history" and "our liberal team" and so on. That's not why dogs wear tags with words they can't read.
People already grow tired of this endless build-up to the end - and not the end of this war, but the general one.
Personally I never saw any such prospect of "the right side of history" and "our liberal team" and so on. That's not why dogs wear tags with words they can't read.
Zardnaar
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Well then what is the point of asking if Russia fears "Nato"? You think anyone in Russia fears (say) Estonia?
The 3 Baltic states are the biggest threat to Putins regime over Ukraine.
Zardnaar
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More like 3 ex Soviet foundries with jo batura resources relative to Russia being very prosperous relative to Russia.
Their existence and ideas are the threat. If Russians start wondering why they're so poor vs those small Forrest Republics they might start asking questions.
Per capita Estonias doing better than Greece
.Russia can't elevate themselves let alone anyone else. They can only drag others down to their level the ultimate crab bucket leaders.
The Baltics, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria all managed to elevate the living standards of their citizens after becoming sovereign nations again, freed of Russian imperialism. Way beyond the average living standards in Russia, especially in rural areas.
Putin perceives citizens of former USSR 'colonies' as threats, as so far they use their new freedoms to improve their lives beyond what Putin can offer to citizens in his own federation.
Putin perceives citizens of former USSR 'colonies' as threats, as so far they use their new freedoms to improve their lives beyond what Putin can offer to citizens in his own federation.
Personally I doubt this is true. Putin clearly is a tyrant, yet I am not sure there is evidence that he doesn't strive to do what (he thinks) is best for Russia and russians.
More to the point, this manichaistic way to see Russia as the evil in the world, simply has no good ending for Nato, since unlike Russia, Nato is comprised of 32 countries and will never act as one.
These days I caught (on some web media) some former admiral here, who was talking about Russia possibly using (what is termed as) "miniature nukes" if there ever is a sense they risk actually losing the war. And how such a move will make it obvious that Nato can at best refrain from backing down up to such an event.
Apparently those nukes are smaller in load even to the two used by the US against Japan, but will still ruin most of a large city.
Verbose
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Western (Christian originally) morality: Intentions matter.
Putin's intentions are good, as he sees them. And then Russians, and others, need to die for them.
But if you are willing to extend that kind of generosity to Putin – why not do the same to NATO, the EU, or the US even?
The US makes no distinction between the use of tactical and strategic nukes. So why even have tactical nukes in the first place. Also, President Xi of China has personally taken credit for persuading Putin to tone down the nuclear option and nuclear threats rhetoric from Moscow. Should Putin use a nuke anyway, it would be interpreted as a monumental humiliation of President Xi.
You're Greek. The birthplace of Democracy and the Western way of life. Did Philip or Alexander back down when powerful Persian rulers threatened the very existence of the Greek city states? Why are you inclined to back down whenever a Putin stooge threatens the West with nukes?
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