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Everyone is over name calling... hence why the issue discussed is racism and not name calling.
Is the term "r*****k" offensive?
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Everyone is over name calling... hence why the issue discussed is racism and not name calling.
onejayhawk
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Exactly backwards. Name calling is worse than ever.
Using the term "racist" is name calling. Ditto "sexist" or "homophobe". In each case it is extensively used to avoid dealing with the content of a statement.
J
Formaldehyde
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Poor misunderstood defenders of racism, misogyny, and homophobia. When will someone think of their feelings? Christianity in the US is under attack by the atheistic liberals. At this rate they will no longer be the overwhelming majority by the end of the century.
onejayhawk
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Who cares about defenders of racism, misogyny and homophobia? We were talking about people who are none of those things. I am more worried about those that throw those terms where they do not belong. You know, "name calling".
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Timsup2nothin
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If I throw the term "racist" completely at random there is a far from insignificant probability it will land accurately. I'm guessing misogynist and homophobe are probably similar.
Racist!
Timsup2nothin
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Far from insignificant probability does not equal sure thing, though I am always undergoing self examination on the subject because I was raised by a flaming bigot and racism comes very naturally if I do not stay vigilant.
Depending on how exacting the survey blatant racism runs somewhere around 1 in 3 adult Americans.
onejayhawk
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Which is worse, a false accusation or a true one unvoiced?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
J
That's a false choice, really... The real comparison is between the harm suffered by the victims of wrongs versus the harm suffered by those falsely accused of the wrong.
The misdirected argument that is often raised in the racism topic (that it seems you are raising now) is whether it is more important to hunt down and punish every single racist or if it is more important to protect the reputation and dignity of people who are innocent of racism from being smeared by a bunch of false accusations.
Side issue (well the main issue really... Are you saying the r*****k term automatically means "racist"?)
Formaldehyde
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You weren't talking about many Republicans, including many of their presidential candidates? I was.
What we should we call them? Mr. President? The heart of the Republican Party?
The typical Republican doesn't even seem to be able to understand what those terms mean. Or they deliberately turn a blind eye due to the large numbers in their own party. Many of them ironically even claim anybody who wants to discuss racism is a "racist". So how would they know when it was appropriate to use these terms?
It is like asking the KKK what the proper etiquette is for the display of the Confederate battle flag.
onejayhawk
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Even conceding all this, what difference? Like McCarthy in the 1950s, the label is used to silence opposition.
No. R*******k is not a heavily loaded term. It just happens to be specifically caucasian. As with many terms context matters. The term "sir" can be used as a pejorative.
J
Formaldehyde
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If if were only that easy to supposedly silence racists. When will someone think of their civil rights?
Keep in mind that there is less racism in the world today than 50 years ago. Race mixing through accessible air travel, a global economy, the idea of our pale blue dot, and the internet have forced a coming to terms between differing races and cultures. It will only get better.
Formaldehyde
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I've posted as much perhaps dozens of times. I grew up in the South during the 60s when most white people used the n- word what seemed like daily. It was so bad that I decided that I didn't want to live here anymore when I became an adult.
When they integrated my high school we had an annual race riot. The first time it was supposedly due to a black girl stealing the shoes of a girl I rode the bus with every day. The annual riot finally culminated about 10 years later with a black man who was merely driving by was dragged out of his car and beaten senseless while other kids torched his car.
Like I recently said, I haven't seen a Confederate flag or belt buckle in years. And nobody uses the n- word publicly anymore. My own neighborhood is about 10% black which is close to the percentage of blacks in the county. Things are much better now.
That said, the racism has now been driven underground. A number of whites still use the n- epithet when they are around other whites they know are also racists. My 80 80-year-old next door neighbor and his wife hid guns all over their house and used to practice diligently for the day the blacks would come to get even.
When they integrated my high school we had an annual race riot. The first time it was supposedly due to a black girl stealing the shoes of a girl I rode the bus with every day. The annual riot finally culminated about 10 years later with a black man who was merely driving by was dragged out of his car and beaten senseless while other kids torched his car.
Like I recently said, I haven't seen a Confederate flag or belt buckle in years. And nobody uses the n- word publicly anymore. My own neighborhood is about 10% black which is close to the percentage of blacks in the county. Things are much better now.
That said, the racism has now been driven underground. A number of whites still use the n- epithet when they are around other whites they know are also racists. My 80 80-year-old next door neighbor and his wife hid guns all over their house and used to practice diligently for the day the blacks would come to get even.
They have as much right to their civil rights as anyone else. _ you do not want to start down the road of declaring who has the right to say things and who does not.
Formaldehyde
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I see the sarcasm was completely missed. That it is a logical absurdity that their rights are deprived whatsoever, much less that they can even be censored in this country where we don't have silly hate speech laws like you do.
So what were you just saying about depriving racists of their right to speak?
So what were you just saying about depriving racists of their right to speak?
I see the sarcasm was completely missed. That it is a logical absurdity that their rights are deprived whatsoever, much less that they can even be censored in this country where we don't have silly hate speech laws like you do.
So what were you just saying about depriving racists of their right to speak?
Sorry its late here
reading posts at 2 am is probably not a good habitYes the UK does have some silly hate speech laws - as does Canada and Australia.
And that is an improvement. It is a necessary step in the slow extinguishing of the practice. The reverse is happening with interracial marriage, gays coming out, and now gay marriage. Better/kinder ways of thinking become more acceptable and public and the less kind ones are squeezed into dark places to hopefully die.
onejayhawk
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No. It was the humor that was completely missing. President Obama's term is self-censorship. It's a bad thing.
If that were not so sad, it might be funny.
J
Formaldehyde
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I sincerely doubt that will happen. It is just driving it underground where it will fester.
Just look at how many dog whistles are still being used in the Republican presidential campaign, much less in Congress. Trump has even clearly showed that a large segment of the Republican Party respond positively just by being direct.
Just look at how Muslims have been attacked since 9/11.
Racism and bigotry is alive and well in the US, as well as Western Europe.
