Is what I do and am wrong?

[Neomega]

Again...how in the hell would you know?



Thats just....too funny. You saw it online and now your an expert. Right.

You can also look at the kill ratios, and pretty much figure out that the fighting is extremely lopsided. Even moreso than Vietnam.

Of course, I guess I would actually have to go over there and fight to really see that it is pretty easy to stay alive in Iraq. Same logical fallacy you always use. Unless you havent actually been to Iraq, according to Mobboss, (or are a soldier employed by the army, so he gets to claim expertise ) Then you cannot possibly know the realities.

Hey, maybe Americans are just really lucky, or maybe it is their prayer shields that keep them form getting killed en masse... and of course all their blessed, sanctified bullets that get them kill ratios that are about... what... 100 to 1?


You are seriously delusional if you think the American soldiers in Iraq are not given every advantage over insurgents. They have the massive edge in government, police, intelligence, weapons, supplies etc...

 

[MobBoss]

How many men have you killed? How many times have you been shot at? Oh, that's right... you are just a desk jockey. But somehow you know better. what a shame, you wish you were a soldier, but all you are is a legal assistant that wears camos every now and then.

Oh, I have been more than up front about my experience. Always have, always will. But I have been trained, often and repeatedly, in those basic soldier tasks that I share with Chaz. I also have 22 years of being elbow to elbow with soldiers like Chaz. I have served in the military from the Company to the Corps level and started out in the 9th Infantry division. I got friends over in Iraq and Afghanistan right now serving and I stay in contact with them.

You have nothing but your internet. /shrug.

Yeah, I do know better, and if that chaps your butt then /oh well. Deal with it.

 

[Adrogans]

saving a king from a dictator does not make me any more free.

Okay so saving all the people from a reigime who killed its own citizens doesn't matter. Glad to hear we did it all just for the King. Who BTW is a constitutional monarchy not a dictatorship.

Saving a capitalist dictatorship from a communist dictatorship does not make me any more free.

Really? Have you been to South Korea? Can you honestly say they would be so much better off if The North ran all of Korea?

Perhaps. But the people flying the drones around, I just don't see how I am supposed to have respect for them, or say with a straight face they are risking their lives for my freedom.

So you really think the whole war is being fought by drones? Well hot damn tell all the soldiers on the ground to go home the robots will take care of it all.

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Hey, maybe Americans are just really lucky, or maybe it is their prayer shields that keep them form getting killed en masse... and of course all their blessed, sanctified bullets that get them kill ratios that are about... what... 100 to 1?

Oh so it's all about the ratio of kills being even? Boy are the soldiers glad you are not planning the operations.

 

[Bill3000]

Actually thats a huge false assumption on your part. You have no idea of his motivation or reason for posting this here. And yes, the overall perspective here of his concerns should be addressed with someone equipped to deal with it: a army chaplain.

Question: Why specifically an army chaplain, as opposed to a specialized psychologist or the like?

 

[Neomega]

Okay so saving all the people from a reigime who killed its own citizens doesn't matter. Glad to hear we did it all just for the King. Who BTW is a constitutional monarchy not a dictatorship.

yes... saving peopoil is what we were there for.

Really? Have you been to South Korea? Can you honestly say they would be so much better off if The North ran all of Korea?

Arguing hypotheticals is a waste of time.

So you really think the whole war is being fought by drones?

Is that what I said, or what you just tried to put in my mouth?

 

[Adrogans]

Its a preference, I personally would see a psych, but I understand some are more comfortable with chaplains.

 

[LucyDuke]

Actually thats a huge false assumption on your part. You have no idea of his motivation or reason for posting this here. And yes, the overall perspective here of his concerns should be addressed with someone equipped to deal with it: a army chaplain.

The army does help. You have no idea of the level and number of required classes we have to attend so that we can spot and help soldiers being affected by PTSD or TBI. Again, please dont assume things you dont know anything about.

Would you prefer to remain ignorant about what we do about it? Apparently so. My workspace is festooned with posters about suicide prevention, TBI, PTSD, how not all wounds are visible, how to help a buddy...etc. etc. etc. Again, you commit the logic fallacy that if Chaz posts about it here we arent doing enough. Another false assumption on your part. Chaz himself already stated that I gave him the best advice of the thread - and it was. It also comes from someone (me) far more familiar with his issues than the vast majority here. Why dont you simply recognize that and move on?

It's ridiculous to say "you shouldn't be asking these guys" after the fact. I'm not crapping on anything you actually do. You do lots of great work. But much more could should be done. Don't begrudge the guy asking the internet - hiring more chaplains and being more proactive would be better all around.

 

[Adrogans]

Is that what I said, or what you just tried to put in my mouth?

Okay I'll grant I read it quick and it isnt what you said, but it felt implied.

 

[MobBoss]

You can also look at the kill ratios, and pretty much figure out that the fighting is extremely lopsided. Even moreso than Vietnam.

A kill ratio isnt what makes a task hard. Course thats rather obvious to most....

Of course, I guess I would actually have to go over there and fight to really see that it is pretty easy to stay alive in Iraq.

No, but having a modicum of experience in the military would at least help. Sipping cafe lattes in Seattle? Not so much.

Same logical fallacy you always use. Unless you havent actually been to Iraq, according to Mobboss, (or are a soldier employed by the army, so he gets to claim expertise ) Then you cannot possibly know the realities.

I think its obvious to all here that you have no idea wth you are talking about other than the fact you dont like the military. Yahoo. All you have really done is prove me 100% right in advising Chaz to not seek such advice here. Thanks.

Hey, maybe Americans are just really lucky, or maybe it is their prayer shields that keep them form getting killed en masse... and of course all their blessed, sanctified bullets that get them kill ratios that are about... what... 100 to 1?

You make it sound like if more americans died it would make you happier.

 

[MobBoss]

Question: Why specifically an army chaplain, as opposed to a specialized psychologist or the like?

Chaplain is simply the first step in the chain. They are trained to address this sort of thing. There are indeed other specialists that he can be referred to as well. Lots of medical command resources have gone into improving the identification, and treatment of those type of issues.

Again, the Chaplain is only the first step, but the right one.

 

[.Shane.]

Two weeks, two weeks and they send me again, I cause death once more. In a different country. A different mentality. A different sector in the world. I don't think twice about it. They shoot at me, I kill them. I offer my life as collateral. Am I a murderer?

Assuming you truly are in the military, you should probably seek out counseling rather than posting this stuff in a gaming forum.

 

[Bill3000]

Chaplain is simply the first step in the chain. They are trained to address this sort of thing. There are indeed other specialists that he can be referred to as well. Lots of medical command resources have gone into improving the identification, and treatment of those type of issues.

Again, the Chaplain is only the first step, but the right one.

Ah, okay.

 

[El_Machinae]

Moderator Action: I am closing this thread because the OP is asking for complex psychological advice, and CFC is not proving to be the best source of this help. CFC is not qualified to walk someone through these issues.