You're not being very clear so it's difficult to understand your position except that you seem to be an apologist for ISIS. I never did say that ISIS hated Kurds because they are Kurds. However their assault on Kobane and annexation of Kurdish territory is naturally going to put them against Kurds. The few Kurds who are on their side are quite the exception.
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You're not being very clear so it's difficult to understand your position except that you seem to be an apologist for ISIS. I never did say that ISIS hated Kurds because they are Kurds. However their assault on Kobane and annexation of Kurdish territory is naturally going to put them against Kurds. The few Kurds who are on their side are quite the exception.
Since we were talking how being traitor is bad, I can't defend those people who killed by ISIS because they were traitors to their own people. They let asad kill people in Syria because victims were Sunnis and supported US against their own nation in Iraq.
All those people personally allowed Assad to kill people in Syria? Why shouldn't Iraqis help America if they want to take part in rebuilding their nation? who are you to tell them what to do? And what about Kurds who already had their own government ? Are they traitors to an ummah that they never asked to belong to? Even those who are not Muslim ?
Not personally of course but being silent means accept his actions towards Sunnis. And No matter if victims are Sunnis or Shias or Christians (according to "nation" definition they are all belong to same nation) they had to protest asad. IF you allow someone to kill some other group, one day, when that victims get power, you can't say "You committing genocide" They don't. They just don't protest IS, just like they did when asad in charge.
About Iraqis, I already said, they supported US when they invade Iraq. Iraqis destroyed their own national symbols in Iraq when US troops landed. (Most of them regret that what they did. You can find some videos about them, if YT didn't remove.)
Edit: I think you added one more question
Kurds of Iraq... They even made a video to show their gladness about US invasion of Iraq. They were so effing happy for invasion. Millions of innocent people killed by US troops and those kurds are happy for this bloody invasion.
And now, lets return to "nation" definition, were those kurds belong to Iraqi nation? Yes. Were they supported the enemy of their nation? Yes. So, they were effing traitors and they getting what they deserve.
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About Iraqis, I already said, they supported US when they invade Iraq. Iraqis destroyed their own national symbols in Iraq when US troops landed. (Most of them regret that what they did. You can find some videos about them, if YT didn't remove.)
Edit: I think you added one more question
Kurds of Iraq... They even made a video to show their gladness about US invasion of Iraq. They were so effing happy for invasion. Millions of innocent people killed by US troops and those kurds are happy for this bloody invasion.
And now, lets return to "nation" definition, were those kurds belong to Iraqi nation? Yes. Were they supported the enemy of their nation? Yes. So, they were effing traitors and they getting what they deserve.
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So are you actually saying that all of the atrocities committed by ISIS are justified because those people in syria did not protest against Assad and because Iraqis destroyed saddams symbols in Iraq? Do you realize saddam was even worse than Assad and comitted genocide against citizens of his own country ?
I'm gonna ask you a question and give me an answer honestly.
Which Iraq was better; Pre-US invasion Iraq or Post US invasion Iraq?
How is that relevant? If pre-US invasion Iraq was better does that make the atrocities committed by ISIS justified in you mind?
If pre-US invasion Iraq is better, this means all deaths happening today in Iraq and also Syria because of US.
If US wouldn't invade Iraq there wouldn't be a group name ISI and they would get bigger and take land from Syria and wouldn't became ISIS.
If you make an action towards someone, there will be responds. No matter how, no matter when.
Stop blaming someone to kill someone, just find the root of that to cause this.
That's terrible logic. ISIS is responsible for its actions.
Tigranes
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ArguCa, you describe yourself as Armenian Ghulam (boy, slave soldier) and have very inflammatory way of defending very inflammatory ideas. Given the fact how IS burned the Armenian Church in Deyr Zor, Armenian Aswentsim, I find your actions particularly provocative. Who are you?
Phrossack
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I'm guessing he's a Muslim Turk who just likes the Broken Crescent mod for Medieval 2: Total War. But I could be wrong
classical_hero
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I too would be happy with an invasion that meant getting rid of those in power who had treated me as a second class citizen like they were under Hussein.
Saddam charged with genocide of Kurds
I think the title of the article describes why Kurds hated Hussein so much, don't you think?
BTW, millions of people weren't killed in Iraq, not eve 1 million were killed, but most of the killed were by insurgents and not the US army. I do love how people inflate numbers like that.
How anyone could possibly even attempt to justify the actions of the IS is inconceivable. These people are committing genocide, keeping hundreds of underage girls as sex slaves who are raped the whole day, implement Sharia, which is the most barbaric system on the planet, destroy entire cities. And yet we have someone saying it's the fault of the US, and the Kurds. Could there be a more cogent way to disqualify oneself from any rational discussion?
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and that's a lesson the Americans and stuff will have to learn the hard way ; supposedly dealing the problem of Turkey which naturally gets inflamed by the notion of destroying Turkey through a division of the country in a manner of "Egg or chicken, which one is the first?" through supporting people . So and so , and it will actually hurt a bit that we would have no need for supporting Islamist Extremism who intends to cut us down one day and cart the rest to slavery . No need indeed , but you didn't read it here .
