IS

ArguCa, you describe yourself as Armenian Ghulam (boy, slave soldier) and have very inflammatory way of defending very inflammatory ideas. Given the fact how IS burned the Armenian Church in Deyr Zor, Armenian Aswentsim, I find your actions particularly provocative. Who are you?

Should I care about people who don't care about me? Should I defend every single Armenians because I'm an Armenian? I love people who have same opinion with me, not people who have blood relation with me.

Go read something about Danishmend Gazi. He was an Armenian Muslim. His army was mostly Armenian Muslims and Greek Muslims (yes not Turks) and they all fought against crusaders. Even Danishmend Gazi fought against Christian Armenians. I love your logic. If you are an Armenian, you have to love Armenians. Sounds childish.

Btw, a historian living in same era with Danishmend Gazi, attributed an Arsacid lineage to him. HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM AND FOUGHT AGAINST CHRISTIANS! HE WAS A TRAITOR! lol.

I'm guessing he's a Muslim Turk who just likes the Broken Crescent mod for Medieval 2: Total War. But I could be wrong

Aha! You caught me! I love Broken Crescent, cool mod, eh? And yes, I'm a Turk, sorry to disappoint you but just by nationality not ethnicity.

^^

Nicely put.

Ahhh... Lovely greeks... They always need support to do or say something. You should have said that to me that "You are a Turk! You are not an Armenian! Cuz you're defending them!!1!11! Actually, a funny fact, I don't like -maybe even use the word 'hate'- most of Turks.

Btw, if you ever wonder why I don't like greeks or europeans just read Chronicle of Matthew of Edessa. He was an Armenian. Actually he was a Christian Armenian yet he hate greeks, europeans and even christian syrians.

So, guys, should grow up and stop generalize people. Not every people have to follow what society force us to do.
 
^This is an RD thread so if you carry on like this you will risk being banned..

I didn't come here and post #621. YOU guys asked a question and I gave a reply. If they going to ban because of answering your questions, they can do whatever they want.
 
Back to RD. Apparently IS has support groups even in Libya now:

Egypt has offered to evacuate its citizens from Libya after Islamic State (IS) released photos which it says show 21 Coptic Egyptians kidnapped there.

The IS photographs show the captives with their hands cuffed behind their backs being marched in single file, lead by masked men dressed entirely in black.

The hostages are dressed in bright orange jumpsuits - the type worn by captives about to be executed by IS.

Thousands of Egyptians are currently working in Libya, many of them in the construction sector.

In February 2014, the bodies of seven Egyptian Christians who had been shot dead were found on a beach near the city of Benghazi.

Estimates as to the number of Copts living in Egypt today range from about nine million to 15 million out of a total population of about 87 million.
 
Just in:

Eight suicide bombers managed Friday to get onto a sprawling Iraqi military base where hundreds of U.S. Marines are training their Iraqi counterparts, but were killed by an ISF counter attack almost immediately.

Sean Ryan, chief of foreign affairs for the U.S.-led military coalition in Iraq, confirmed to CBS News that the attackers made it onto the secluded Ain al-Asad airbase west of Baghdad, but said the attackers made it "nowhere near" the American forces on the base before they were killed.

The official said coalition forces were at least a mile and a half away from the attack, and at no point were they under direct threat from the militants. Ain al-Asad is one of the largest bases the U.S. military has used in Iraq -- roughly the size of the city of Boulder, Colorado, according to a Pentagon spokesman.
 
Edit: I think you added one more question

Kurds of Iraq... They even made a video to show their gladness about US invasion of Iraq. They were so effing happy for invasion. Millions of innocent people killed by US troops and those kurds are happy for this bloody invasion.

And now, lets return to "nation" definition, were those kurds belong to Iraqi nation? Yes. Were they supported the enemy of their nation? Yes. So, they were effing traitors and they getting what they deserve.

I didn't see this after you edited the post until now. Kurds of Iraq never asked to be in Iraq or wanted it. They spent most of the 20th century fighting to be independent. They can't be traitors to a country they never had allegiance to in the first place.

I also find it very strange that you condemn those who supported Assad but also condemn those who fought against the Baathist Iraqi state. They both were from the same Arab nationalist parties and Iraq was never an Islamic republic.

ArguCa, you describe yourself as Armenian Ghulam (boy, slave soldier) and have very inflammatory way of defending very inflammatory ideas. Given the fact how IS burned the Armenian Church in Deyr Zor, Armenian Aswentsim, I find your actions particularly provocative. Who are you?

I find this very strange as well.


^Enemy of my enemy is my friend 'logic'. If one irrationally hates the kurdish people he is not really going to be happy when they get reputation as being on 'the good side', etc.

I think he hates America and he's siding against the Kurds only because they're pro America.
 
Seems like this is going to be stuck in a holding pattern for a long time, Syria and Iraq dont have the capability to regain territory, but the barbarian wannabe state doesnt have the ability to push much further, especially since it has essentially run out of friendly territory in Iraq. Feel sorry for those citizens stuck in the barbarian's territory, I do not see return to modern civilization coming any time soon.
 
Awhile ago someone posted photos on facebook of donkeys wandering around an empty Mosul university. I did a google search but it didn't come up.
 
How anyone could possibly even attempt to justify the actions of the IS is inconceivable. These people are committing genocide, keeping hundreds of underage girls as sex slaves who are raped the whole day, implement Sharia, which is the most barbaric system on the planet, destroy entire cities. And yet we have someone saying it's the fault of the US, and the Kurds. Could there be a more cogent way to disqualify oneself from any rational discussion?


I agree.

But, you see, IS raises some interesting questions.

1. How did this situation come about?
2. Why are they so brutal?
3. And how will this all pan out?

I don't believe it's possible to separate IS, or indeed anyone else, out from the rest of the world; and say, yup, these are the bad guys, if we just eliminate them everything will be hunky dory.
 
I don't know, I felt pretty safe on the few Chinook rides I took in Iraq. Except on the rare occasion we took fire of course, since the Chinook isn't exactly the most nimble beast in the sky.
That probably can be attributed more to the skill of the pilot or mission imposed limitations. The Chinook is easily the fastest helicopter the military has. The speed which it can fly alone make it very hard to hit. Unless you were landing pe taking off, of course.
 
That probably can be attributed more to the skill of the pilot or mission imposed limitations. The Chinook is easily the fastest helicopter the military has. The speed which it can fly alone make it very hard to hit. Unless you were landing pe taking off, of course.

Fastest yes, but fast does not equal nimble. The Chinook has speed but when it comes to evasive maneuvering it is severely lacking. Not that that is a terrible thing though since the Chinook's role isn't to be nimble, it is meant to move large numbers of personnel and/or equipment.
 
Yes, it's easy enough to get something big and Chinook-shaped flying fast in a straight line, but less easy to get that much bulk to change direction!
 
Islamic State (IS) has captured an Iraqi town about 8km (5 miles) from an air base housing hundreds of US troops, the Pentagon says.

US officials downplayed the fall of al-Baghdadi, which is within striking distance of the Ain al-Asad air base.

Ain al-Asad was itself attacked by IS on Friday though the militants were repelled, officials say.

Until its fall, al-Baghdadi was one of the few towns in the western Anbar province still held by the Iraqi army.

Rear Adm John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said the development had to be put into perspective.

It was the first time in the last a couple of months that the militant group had taken new ground, he said.

Friday’s attack on the air base is prompting some in Washington to question again whether deploying US ground forces against IS can really be avoided - particularly when it comes to recapturing urban areas where air strikes might risk killing innocent civilians
 
I found this interesting:
Questions abound over how or why IS could do this [burning of Jordian pilot, Kasasbeh]. To understand their mindset requires a brief examination of Islamic, or Sharia, law.

IS believes in a principle known as "qisas" which, in its broadest terms, is the law of equal retaliation. Put another way, it is the Islamic equivalent of "lex talionis", or the doctrine of an eye for an eye.

Within Islamic law qisas typically relates to cases of murder, manslaughter, or acts involving physical mutilation (such as the loss of limbs) and creates a framework for victims (or their families) to seek retributive justice.

As a pilot fighting with the Western coalition, Lt Kasasbeh would have been associated with dropping incendiary bombs - so burning could be seen by them as appropriate retaliation.

Even then, the issue of "punishing" with fire is deeply contested among Muslims. Many regard it as absolutely prohibited in all circumstances.

Indeed, the outrage from Muslims has been so strong that IS members have been forced to respond quickly with their own justifications for the act.

Regardless of the group's reasoning, this was the fate to which Lt Kasasbeh was condemned.

From the moment Islamic State captured him they had made it clear that he would be killed. Indeed, they even attempted to crowd-source his murder, at times asking users on social media to suggest precisely how he should be killed.

For this reason, there was never any realistic prospect of his release.

That was not enough for Jordanian authorities, who insisted they also wanted Lt Kasasbeh released.

When officials in Amman asked for proof of life none was offered, prompting speculation that the murder may have actually taken place some weeks ago.

This would make sense. Shortly after his capture, the Jordanian and American armies launched two abortive attempts to rescue Lt Kasasbeh.

Fearing that another attempt might succeed, it is likely the group killed him weeks ago and then waited for an opportunity to release the video.

All armies want to develop an edge over their adversaries. Typically this involves investment in better hardware to project more power and menace.

IS knows this is not an area where it can compete.

Instead, what it has is asymmetric power - the ability to shock and terrify with videos such as the one released on Tuesday. As always, we are the audience and the aim is clear - to shock and scare us.

In that regard the video has already been a success. Jordanians are outraged, but many are also asking why the country is participating in the coalition air raids against Islamic State.

The United Arab Emirates had already gone a step further after Lt Kasasbeh was captured in December. It withdrew from the coalition altogether, citing fears for the safety of its pilots.

That is perhaps the most potent weapon Islamic State possess today - the carefully curated asymmetry of fear.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-31129416
 
Except their actions revved up Jordanian involvement after its citizens had been pressuring it to decrease involvement and the UAE got involved again. Seems like a failed effort that ended up having the opposite effect.
 
Except their actions revved up Jordanian involvement after its citizens had been pressuring it to decrease involvement and the UAE got involved again. Seems like a failed effort that ended up having the opposite effect.

But that doesn't matter to them since it increases the number of fools wanting to fight for them.
 
Their offensive is stalled, they may get more fools but at best the incoming fools are just keeping their heads above water not strengthening their position. Frankly let the fools go out there and die in the deserts of the middle east, better than them trying to kill people here
 
Borachio said:
I agree.

But, you see, IS raises some interesting questions.

1. How did this situation come about?
The despotism under Saddam Hussein apparently kept the lid on the sectarian chaos and barbarism we see now. The fact that removing a vile dictator and thereby freeing the Iraqi people from their hostage state has lead to an even worse situation says something terrible about the Muslim world. That shouldn't exculpate the American invasion of Iraq which I think was a tragic mistake. But the motivation of the IS is not nationalistic, they are not attempting to restore the pre-war status quo. Instead, what we see is the unleashing of medieval religious stupidity and the attempt to manifest Islamic theocracy and ruin all the civil progress in the region.

2. Why are they so brutal?
Because of their religious beliefs. They are acting exactly as the Koran and the Hadith instruct them to. If we grant that they actually believe what their holy texts say - and they are telling us ad nauseum that they do - it would be more surprising if they weren't acting in the way they are.

3. And how will this all pan out?
Who can say? Let's just hope that the IS is destroyed before they get their hands on more deadly weapon technology.


I don't believe it's possible to separate IS, or indeed anyone else, out from the rest of the world; and say, yup, these are the bad guys, if we just eliminate them everything will be hunky dory.
If the IS is dealt with, it will only be a matter of time until the next islamist group emerges and threatens humanity. Today's battlefield is the IS, but in the broader picture we are in a war of ideas against extremist Islam. We must encourage moderate Muslims to reform their faith. That is the only way forward. Unfortunately, most spokesmen of Western societies, especially among the liberal kind, deny that we even have a problem with Islam.
 
So how come did they just recently took al-Baghdadi very recently? That is an offensive victory they just had, so clearly they aren't being beaten back.

As impressive as taking a single small village is the offensive is still collectively stalled. They lost a fair amount of small villages when the Kobani situation went south for them so overall they are stalled at best and maybe even receding slightly.
 
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