Sanguivorant
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That was 2003 bro. They probably converted to Islam and started to make an Islamic Khanate.
ISIL conquers Mosul, Iraq's second largest city!
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kramerfan86
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Iraq simply doesnt seem like a long term viable country. Even if they beat back this invasion/rebellion the whole situation is just going to worsen sectarian hatred.
Sanguivorant
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The Middle East has not experienced the true low yet. Only when they suffer as much destruction as Europe did in World War 2 will they ever stop fighting each other and look towards cooperation.
Aaaand Mr. President is sending another aircraft carrier to Iraq.
The Vietnamese had different visions on how to run things, but they both wanted to be on top. ISIL can't prosper, but they want to take as many people down with them as possible *sigh*
Really? The Soviet Union was one of the most devastated places, the Balkans suffered quite a lot and look at how things have turned out.
Don't be so sure, the Muslims in this region (and especially those who are fighting in this group) are still stuck in the Medieval mentally, the modern division into thses states has nothing to do with ethnics/religious division of the region...
Anyways, all of the non Muslims Minorities are now flees from THe Middle east, because of such organizations...
This specific organization wants to rebuild the Caliphate of Syria and Iraq (and maybe all of Arabia), under one Sharia Law...
Formaldehyde
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Again, what they really want is to be in power instead of the Shia. They were quite happy living under Saddam Hussein's secular government because the Sunni were in control.
Read the name of the organization: the Islamic state in Iraq, Syria and the Levant.
The Levant includes Syria, Cyprus, Lebanon, Israel, a province in Turkey (and the whole state under its greater extent) and Egypt (under its greater extent).
I'm pretty sure they will not stop in Iraq and Syria...
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As opposed to the Jewish state of Israel?
What exactly is a group which apparently consists of 10,000 people going to do to negatively influence such a large area?
What exactly is a group which apparently consists of 10,000 people going to do to negatively influence such a large area?
How the hell did you drag Israel into this (for the first time for a very long time there is something we have nothing to do with it, and we still dragged in!), we have no intent to Convert everybody to Judaism even those who are living in Israel.
They gather strength, in an area there is no functioning government and with American equipment left behind the fleeing forces, they will not stay that weak...
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They all supposedly want a government which is not secular, just like your own. There isn't anything inherently wrong with a non-secular government. Now is there?
And you just claimed that Israel and the rest of the region was being threatened by this group of 10,000 supposed fanatics!
And you just claimed that Israel and the rest of the region was being threatened by this group of 10,000 supposed fanatics!
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If these guys aren't "fanatics", I would really like to know what your definition of a fanatic is.
Is there a certain quota of beheadings they have to meet to be classified as such?
Is there a certain quota of beheadings they have to meet to be classified as such?
They want Theocracy, Israel in nowhere near to Theocracy (to be honest, most of the coalition is secular, and the leader of the greatest party after the ruling party is almost a complete Atheist!).
And again, they start small, and get bigger (and they conquered a very rich region), just like any terror organization and party.
And an Organization that its declared target is to build a Theocracy and known to be extremely brutal even in such organizations terms is Fanatic...
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Israel is clearly just as much of a theocracy as Iran is. Iran also has a large group which is just as secular. There are a number of countries which are predominately Catholic as well and are just as theocratic. If the majority of the people want to live in a theocracy who are we to tell them they can't do so?
Israel does far more to destabilize the entire region than a handful of supposed Muslim fanatics, even though I have yet to see any proclamations by ISIS that they wish to kill infidels or any such thing. Have you?
After all, Sharia law is now practiced in much of the US and Europe without anything terrible occurring. It is really no different than Jewish halakha or Christian canon law except for the draconian and backward parts still practiced by a handful of countries.
Israel does far more to destabilize the entire region than a handful of supposed Muslim fanatics, even though I have yet to see any proclamations by ISIS that they wish to kill infidels or any such thing. Have you?
After all, Sharia law is now practiced in much of the US and Europe without anything terrible occurring. It is really no different than Jewish halakha or Christian canon law except for the draconian and backward parts still practiced by a handful of countries.
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10,000 can do quite a bit when the opposing forces throw down their arms and retreat when challenged. And your attempt to bring Israel in as a non-secular exam is just an incredibly weird stretch. When Israel starts trying to legally enforce the ultra-orthodox viewpoint that might be a point that classifies as something other than laughable.
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You know, neutered nationalism and tiny little countries hating each other, but doing nothing apart from that, then falling under the overlordship of a bigger host country which implodes over all the place...
..I guess it could've went worse.
kramerfan86
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Really? Has Israel started enforcing religious dress codes or legally begun Torah based penalties?
What does Israel have to do with the internal situation of the surrounding states?
The Iranian secular are underground AFAIK, unlike here.
And Come on, if Israel was such a Theocracy as you claim it to be Tel-Aviv would never become the Gay Mecca it is today...
About you last paragraph, this is really sad, a set of rules where the wife is her husband's property and is under great restriction? or can be killed due to "Dishonoring the Family"? In what western Civilization you have such things?!
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Why do you think the opposing Sunnis even apparently gave those weapons to the Sunni invaders and just walked away? Do you think it might possibly be that the Sunnis wish to live under Sunni control instead of Shia? That they have been trying to do so ever since the US illegally invaded and occupied their country on the basis of lies and deceit?
And I see you apparently know little or nothing about the discrimination which is rampant in Israel as a direct result of their own theocracy, despite it being discussed repeatedly and at length in this forum on a regular basis. While it may not be as much of a problem as it is in a handful of the more backward Muslim countries, there are also Muslim countries that do not have these pervasive issues with basic human rights.
But I also think it is certainly their right to live as they wish, even though I personally think a secular form of government is vastly superior.
Sharia law is the bogeyman of the sensationalist Western press. Again, what exactly has ISIS said that makes so many think they might even be worse than the al-Qaeda? How can 10,000 people have any military power if the regions they control didn't wish them to be there?
