Once the brunt of this is over, does anyone think a demilitarised zone (wider than the range of Hezbollah rockets) secured by an international force (perhaps of countries agreed upon by Israel and Lebanon) woul dmake a good medium-term solution?
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Silica_Pathways
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Btw, i still don't understand one thing - why Lebanonese government still haven't declared war on Israel ? Syria and maybe even Iran will be on their side, they just must act.
At least, Hezbollah will surely have great success on next Lebanon elections, 'couse they are the only defenders of Lebanon now...
At least, Hezbollah will surely have great success on next Lebanon elections, 'couse they are the only defenders of Lebanon now...
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
im hoping an international force takes that area. that way we could keep hezbollah in check and the internationals can deal with it. not israel and definately not lebanon's "army"
Gladi
The ignored thread killer
sysyphus said:
EUFOR? Or prolly some Developed World, we are in this thing too through our complacency.
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Certainly would. A zone of some sort to the Litani is nothing new, and if it cannot be secured internationally, there is the Golan precedent (unlikely).
Adding 15-20 miles has a big impact - shorter range rockets cannot make the distance, and longer range ones have a bigger envelope in which they can be intercepted.
Use of PAC-3 and THEL is probable.
Adding 15-20 miles has a big impact - shorter range rockets cannot make the distance, and longer range ones have a bigger envelope in which they can be intercepted.
Use of PAC-3 and THEL is probable.
Simon Darkshade said:
Aren't you worried though if there targetting with missiles becomes limited they might just resort to old fashioned terrorism: car bombs, even suicide bombers, these people aren't stupid, crazy yes, and you can't just wave a magic wand and hope they won't persist. If there is a peace after the fact it needs to be followed up with an effort to make talks and agreements key, securing peace is only possible without continued violence, and to do that you need to get rid of the reasons for violence, as someone else said tackle the source of the problem not the symptoms.
EDIT: There's a fly buzzing around let's ignore it eh as Simon said. Remember Simon says
Gogf
Indescribable
Sidhe said:
So your argument is that Hezbollah should be allowed to launch rockets into Israel because otherwise they will resort to other types of terrorism? That's like saying we shouldn't outlaw fraud because criminals will resort to other types of theft.
Gladi
The ignored thread killer
Sidhe said:
yes but the pus needs to be taken care of before you can start deal with symptoms.
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Sidhe said:
Clearing an area means literally that. Car bombs and suicide bombers need to swim in the sea of the people to be effective; Israel does not need the land, nor the people, but rather a buffer zone. This is combined with killing or neutralizing every known member of Hezbollah that can be, removing their propaganda mechanisms from circulation, and then seeing who to talk with.
Falling into the root causes fox trap can be very dangerous, particularly in regards to Hezbollah. Their original casus belli is now confined to the Shabaa Farms, and they are on the wrong side of the international opinion there. They have extended their calls to the 'liberation' of Jerusalem, and the concomitant destruction of the Jewish State. These are not starting grounds for negotiation.
The root cause is that 60 years afterwards, it is still convenient for the surrounding Arab states to have the Palestinians as a stalking horse in refugee camps; their victimhood makes a good distraction and rallying cry. State sponsored terror is an act of war, and all of the Arab states have made ample use of it. Some, Egypt and Jordan, have accepted reality.
Others still have to, such as the then Saudi Crown Prince's offer to recognize Israel in return for a number of conditions that amounted to the kitchen sink. Such magnanimous diplomacy!
One can address the root causes of the issue at the same time as taking a hard line on terror and war on the nation.
Israel's policy is that they will take all steps for there to be no more Masadas.
Gladi
The ignored thread killer
Sidhe said:
Last time I checked nukes were not flying? Ground op is the only way to deal with current situation. Though I would have liked to see different Israel-Lebanon dynamics, we now have to hope and pray. And of course we shar some guilt too- we declare victory too often be it Georgia, Ukraine or Lebanon. The moment Syrians moved out the "advisors" should have moved in.
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
you know. if hezbollah is in power in the south because of the services they provide. why not have israel build schools and all that stuff? provide water and all that to win the hearts and minds of the people of lebanon. im sure it would be a great PR boost for the whole mideast too.
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Hezbollah are in the south because it is a vacuum, not because they excel at Meals on Wheels. Israel has no need nor desire to engage in hearts and minds work, as they do not want the land and people. It is a punitive mission, not a counter insurgency campaign.
If it comes down to the most drastic solution, they will do what they did in the Golan.
If it comes down to the most drastic solution, they will do what they did in the Golan.
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
no, not to get the land. but to improve israels image in lebanon. but hezbollah provides schools and all that stuff. thats why the south supports it so much.
Mr. Dictator said:
Egypt is the logical choice. They are an Arab nation (not really, they're Egyptian, but let's not get too specific
), muslim, and at peace with Israel. Should be acceptable to both sides. Maybe Turkey, given that they've also got good relations with Israel, but I don't know how the other arab nations around there feel about them.
Gladi
The ignored thread killer
Mr. Dictator said:
The problem is that it takes time to do it this way... decades- and you can blow it with one badly handed move. Judah was good ally of Rome for 66 years, one corrupt proconsul, greek anti-jewish riot and bang- it has gone to hell.
Yeeek
Seizing The Day
How come this Crash757 guy has not been banned yet? What are doing the mods.
Simon Darkshade
Mysterious City of Gold
Mr. Dictator said:
Nothing they do will improve their image; do any good, and it will be seen as being done for nefarious, mephistophelean purposes and loudly declaimed. They are not going to ever win a popularity contest, regardless of what they do.
The Shi'ia of the south are unlikely to switch allegiances.
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I predict that Israel will keep every inch they invade in Lebanon for "security purposes".
Simon Darkshade said:
Again indeed, and the UN will pass resolutions that the US will veto, and the region will become a bone of contention for fundemetalists, let's hope not eh. Annexing lands is not really the way to go. Am I the only one that sees annexation as wrong? It's a primary the reason all this hostility exists; Israel needs a clear idea of what is acceptable, the US wont allow it, and it'll result in more political wrangling and more fracturing of any chance of a peace process.Drastic solution? Last resort, that we can at least agree on, let impartials do the thinking.
