...and there it is.
It's Hot! But Fox Only Talks About Global Warming When It's Snowing
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...and there it is.
I also meant that as "there are beautiful links out there that refute the few dissenting opinions".
Not only is the global warming science out there, but so are refutations to any dissenting opinion (such as that "petition" brought up earlier). It's not like these things haven't been addressed over and over.
And no, there isn't controversy. At least not where it counts.
Not only is the global warming science out there, but so are refutations to any dissenting opinion (such as that "petition" brought up earlier). It's not like these things haven't been addressed over and over.
And no, there isn't controversy. At least not where it counts.
Because environmentally friendly and sustainable industry is such a bad thing.
Like I read in an excellent comic a long while ago on people at a global warming conference:
"What if we make the world a better place and it turns out we didn't have to?"
Ayatollah So
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I looked up a couple of maps of global temperature change forecasts. They are pretty similar:
above graph is based on IPCC data
above graph is based on Hadley Centre HadCM3 climate model
My eyeball says that both are predicting more warming in the coolest areas of the globe, overall and on average for those areas, than in the warmest. So, overall temperature gradients are likely to be reduced. Long-term negative stock indicator for wind power manufacturing?
Score half a point for BasketCase jumping to the right conclusion based on inadequate (but at least probabilistically favorable) evidence. Putting a blanket on at night, it turns out, really does warm your coldest parts more than the rest of you.
above graph is based on IPCC data
above graph is based on Hadley Centre HadCM3 climate model
My eyeball says that both are predicting more warming in the coolest areas of the globe, overall and on average for those areas, than in the warmest. So, overall temperature gradients are likely to be reduced. Long-term negative stock indicator for wind power manufacturing?
Score half a point for BasketCase jumping to the right conclusion based on inadequate (but at least probabilistically favorable) evidence. Putting a blanket on at night, it turns out, really does warm your coldest parts more than the rest of you.
Rashiminos
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If only.., but that's not the direction that energy regulation is headed in.
So the promotion of, for example, solar power over coal power, won't make us more sustainable and less polluting?
Rashiminos
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The promotion of smart grids to monitor individual energy use by quantity and activity will control us better and leave more for those at the top.
Even in Mongolia, global warming is making less food instead of more....
rest of story here.
http://pulitzercenter.org/articles/mongolia-global-warming-south-gobi-tsogtbaatar-grass
rest of story here.
http://pulitzercenter.org/articles/mongolia-global-warming-south-gobi-tsogtbaatar-grass
Umm... they already do this. How do you think electrical companies charge you for your usage?
Rashiminos
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Somewhere between being next to a desert, being in the middle of a large landmass, and in rather high elevations, it's not a surprise that Mongolia is dry.
Currently by household, not individually, and not with regard to why a person is using it.
But it's getting much dryer than it has been in the past. That is the point. It is changing, and not for the better.
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And there is what? That I've maintained the same position in a number of global warming threads? Or are you trying to refute that Al Gore didn't make money on his movie and green businesses? Or that the political doctrine outlined by the IPCC "information for policy makers" isn't Green-Socialism?
This would be a lot easier if you people would just come out and say you're paranoid of United Nations one-worlder police state socialism from the beginning, instead of pretending it's a scientific facts debate.
I'm going to have to disagree with you in regards to likelihood of global warming being used as a propaganda tool to enact the conspiracy of monitoring energy consumption at the individual rather than family level, for the purposes of greater governmental control.
A) Conspiracies like these don't work. We have worldwide acceptance of AGW.
B) This seems like a very silly conspiracy. It would be easier to spend all that time and money in monitoring people online better, especially as the trend is that we're becoming more and more dependent on this.
C) The information on individual energy consumption is not Earth-shatteringly more useful than household usage, especially on a "controlling" level.
D) It would be far more likely to have big oil and coal companies be rejecting the idea of AGW for self-preservation reasons and profit.
I could go on... But at this stage, I think I've made my point.
Ziggy Stardust
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Please don't use Al Gore as an example of an environmental scientist. He's a politician first, a businessman second and what little room he's got left to manoeuvre he allows his inner scientist to play in.
Also, hang on a second, smart meters are about efficiency, accurate billing, the option of market-based tariffs, and data gathering to better understand the nature of the load in the electricity system. Of all the things to be paranoid of...
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I read a report not that long ago about an African community clinic. Heaps of EU carbon credits were poured into this clinic to provide solar power (since the country does not have electricity in rural areas) at high cost. Much acclaim was heralded in Europe when the project was complete, and it has hailed as a huge success, showing how carbon credits were funding the developing world. Cut back to the clinic and the reporter was shown how successful the project was. The clinic has two solar panels on the roof and requires a refrigerator to be running constantly to keep medicines chilled. The fridge is new as well as part of the project (before this project the clinic was not able to hold chilled medicines). The clinic is unable to run any other electrical device on the circuit, as the entire solar system shorts out and switches off. Not even the single light bulb in the examination room.
What may seem cheap and sustainable for us in the developed world, is highly expensive and pointless in the rest of the world.
Diesel-powered generators and electrical systems, of course, never short out or malfunction, and the fuel is free and plentiful. It's a good thing, too, because apparently even one anecdotal example of such a problem would invalidate the entire notion of ever using diesel power.
Who said it was cheap? It's cheaper in the long-run, but solar power is more expensive than coal power.
This is the entire reason the issue is being pushed! Because it's not coming in by itself.
What's more important - having a sustainable industry that can last and does not pollute your city and country, or having a few extra bucks in your pocket?
(The issue of Africa is irrelevant, since their poverty necessitates only the cheapest things)
This is the entire reason the issue is being pushed! Because it's not coming in by itself.
What's more important - having a sustainable industry that can last and does not pollute your city and country, or having a few extra bucks in your pocket?
(The issue of Africa is irrelevant, since their poverty necessitates only the cheapest things)
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It's the pretense of science the movement hides behind. Refute the science, and the the whole corrupt system collapses.
