Fox News On Recent Snowstorms

[Berzerker]

Talking about "blasts of extreme cold" is a lot more dramatic sounding than "changing wind patterns bring more cold from the Arctic".

So what? When we get hit our local weathermen call them arctic blasts. And thats what they are, very cold and very windy "blasts" of arctic air. Dramatic or not, there is a theory we will see more of them with global warming.

And in case you forgot, this whole thread is about the recent weather in the East Coast, and what Fox News makes of it.

And you're wrong about that too. Several of us have been debating whether or not global warming could or would lead to a cooling trend. Ziggy and I were talking about wind patterns and you jumped in thinking we were talking about the snow in Washington And btw, Ziggy posted the theory, not me. If you dont like the fact we were discussing something else, gripe at the mods. And just go away please...

 

[civ_king]

Well obviously I'm wrong, considering that global warming nuts are always right...even if they get it wrong because global warming causes everything. Let's face it, everything is because of global warming. Except for good stuff. That's because of Barack Obama.

One thing that I am right about is that reading anything from the IPCC will make you dumber on a scientific basis than if you listen to Glenn Beck. The IPCC could not have discredited itself any more over the last ten years. If an American University made as many blatant errors and committed this kind of academic/scientific dishonesty it would lose accreditation.

dumber scientifically than Glenn Beck? [citation needed]

So what? When we get hit our local weathermen call them arctic blasts. And thats what they are, very cold and very windy "blasts" of arctic air. Dramatic or not, there is a theory we will see more of them with global warming.



And you're wrong about that too. Several of us have been debating whether or not global warming could or would lead to a cooling trend. Ziggy and I were talking about wind patterns and you jumped in thinking we were talking about the snow in Washington And btw, Ziggy posted the theory, not me. If you dont like the fact we were discussing something else, gripe at the mods. And just go away please...

you have been experiencing -30 weather?

 

[Berzerker]

I think we came close to -30 with wind chill this year, we stayed in the 0-10 F range for day time highs for 2-3 weeks around Christmas.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And btw, Ziggy posted the theory, not me.

Also Ziggy posted he only heard it from only one guy, this should not be taken on face value. Ziggy just opted it as possibility, not rock hard Science (tm).

 

[Arwon]

One thing that I am right about is that reading anything from the IPCC will make you dumber on a scientific basis than if you listen to Glenn Beck. The IPCC could not have discredited itself any more over the last ten years. If an American University made as many blatant errors and committed this kind of academic/scientific dishonesty it would lose accreditation.

Luckily they're the tip of the iceberg as far as scientific opinion goes. Actually probably not even that... the tip of an iceberg at least constitutes 10% of the whole.

I can think of a dozen agencies and organisations in this country alone which remain utterly untouched by some overzealous emails by some British university I've never heard of, and a couple of erroneous paragraphs discovered 2 years after publishing, in a 1600 page document, by a peak international body which has been trying to coordinate and tie together an incredibly vast body of several decades of research from around the world into a workable policy document.

I'm gonna go with them and their thousands of experts and decades of research over the ravings of some blogs, newspaper columnists and a scientifically illiterate, bug-eyed aristocrat from the UK.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So Fox News, being the fair and balanced organization it is, has surely been monitoring the various heatwaves around the globe and is now reporting that Global Warming is making a spectacular comeback after being disproved last winter. Strange thing is, I can't find an article saying it. I have searched Fox's news site, and I can find lots about heatwaves, but for some strange reason they're not linking the weather to Global Warming this time. But, it is fair and balanced so it should be out there.

Also nothing on http://www.hannity.com/

Isn't that odd.

 

[Ayn Rand]

You made a mental note in the Winter to come back and point this out in the Summer, didn't you?

Hilarious Fox news statement though

 

[FriendlyFire]

I doubt foxnews new viewers can remember that far back.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Global warming creates more extremes of weathers, I.e a colder winter & a hotter summer i thought, or did no one tell Fox?

Global warming makes it hotter, if it does exist, but God is unleashing the cold to get people to stop acting like him.

Not that there's anything wrong with making predictions, but stating them as fact when they aren't is wrong.

 

[civ_king]

Global warming makes it hotter, if it does exist, but God is unleashing the cold to get people to stop acting like him.

Not that there's anything wrong with making predictions, but stating them as fact when they aren't is wrong.

you do realize that this was a relatively warm winter right?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Not in the East it wasn't.

 

[Ajidica]

As much as I hate using weasel words, the proper term is Global Climate Change. IIRC this was the first time in year Ireland completly froze over and I think Cork was flooded. The whole weather system is going out of wack. Just because it isn't always getting warmer everywhere doesn't mean we aren't messing it up.

 

[GenMarshall]

Are we STILL on this discussion? I thought this thread went to the depths of the forbidden ice age

 

[Ajidica]

When in doubt, necro. Its the surest way to restart a debate without having to create one.

 

[madviking]

Earth's temp can be graphed sinusoidally. We are coming out of a cold period (1750-1875).

End of discussion.

 

[Icekommander]

As much as I hate using weasel words, the proper term is Global Climate Change. IIRC this was the first time in year Ireland completly froze over and I think Cork was flooded. The whole weather system is going out of wack. Just because it isn't always getting warmer everywhere doesn't mean we aren't messing it up.

This. Global Warming is disingenuous (Did I spell that right) because once the water from the Arctic starts entering the Global current system, everything is going to go all to wack. For example, from my understanding, this could (Would?) reverse the North Atlantic Current which would have the effect of making Europe much colder, but the America's warmer.

 

[Ajidica]

Yeah. When I moved up to Minnesota I kept hearing all these stories about 3 feet of snow and real blizzards. In the 9 years I've lived up here, we've barely gotten 2.5 feet and (at least in my area) never had a real blizzard.

 

[El_Machinae]

While the reversal of the current is a legitimate concern to investigate, it's one of those threats that're far away - even in worst-case scenarios. I don't think it's something to focus on, except to factor it into risk premiums.

While the planet is currently at a hottest peak for recent history, it's important to not get fooled by that. We're coming off of a heat peak like seen in 1998, and so we should see some cooling from this peak over the next couple of years. In 2012, people will say that we are trending downward from 2010. Just like in 2002, they seemed to think we were trending downward from 1998.

It will be during this decade where the warming becomes undeniable, though, I think. We'll probably breach the medieval warm period, and globally. The Sun is currently at a low level of heat output, and as it picks up, the heating will increase even more. That is, unless a specific current reverses its oscillation. It's an air current that periodically flips, though I'm blanking on the name ... its direction determines a great deal of the perceived warmth of the next decade. Of course, confounding natural feeding cycles are beyond the understanding of most citizens, who're looking for specific linear trends.

I guess the good news is that it's been some time since someone mentioned volcanos. The bad news is that Western ethical obligation on this issue began in ~1990, which means that most people here had fossil fuels burnt in their name for which they're obligated to mitigate.

 

[Fr8monkey]

Problem with the anti global warming crowd is they don't have even the slightest grasp on simple climatology or history. That and they believe absolutely everything they hear on FauxNews....

 

[Berzerker]

Problem with the anti global warming crowd is they don't have even the slightest grasp on simple climatology or history.

That would be my critique of the global warming crowd. I rarely see anyone from the AGW side of the debate even acknowledge such a thing as cyclical ice ages, or the mini ice age (which we're rebounding from). Its the critics of AGW who look to climate history to put more modern trends into some context.