I've just convinced myself to that 9/11 is a conspiracy

[Godwynn]

Ya but missles compensate by causing EXPLOSHUNS duh Thus reinforcing the point that it was a BOMB and not COLLISHUN.

When I make a paper airplane and throw them, after they hit the wall the airplane just gets its nose crushed, but remains intact. Obviously these were airplane shaped bombs, a real airplane would just have a dented nose.

 

[Slaughter]

Where's this mistery plane that crashed in Philadelphia, by the way? Did we EVER saw it?

 

[JollyRoger]

I thought Rudy claimed responsibility for 9/11. Doesn't it take more than one person to constitute a conspiracy?

 

[Phlegmak]

I've just convinced myself to that 9/11 is a conspiracy

You're correct, it was a conspiracy. It was a conspiracy by al-Qaeda.

 

[Verge]

Why do conspiracy-theorists think that a skyscraper is suppose to fall slowly? What, are they supposed to defy gravity? Are they supposed to pause for dramatic effect?

 

[skadistic]

Where's this mistery plane that crashed in Philadelphia, by the way? Did we EVER saw it?

Well it was strewn over miles of woods and fields and what wasn't incinerated was ripped to shreds. Many people saw it many people heard the explosion where it hit. And the families of those that died on board know full damn . .. .. .. .ing well that it went down and their loved ones died. There was no god damn mystery plane.

And now I leave this thread before I get banned.
And it was Shanksfield not Philly.

 

[Ondskan]

I belive that from viewing tons of videos of this incident and other incidents buildings are not easy to take down.

If you hit a building from above, especially a building with such an awesome steelstructure it shouldn't be able to destroy the bottom floors at all. This removed the first option for me even in 2001 9/12 when I had a day to think about it.

The jet fuel should IMO only be able to weaken/melt the steel structure around the impact area which is no more than a few floor and never ever a whole floor. The building is simply to thick. Looking from other accidents where planes have exploded, hit buildings or anything like this there is rarely much dmg around the plane or to much melt land IMO again.

So it comes down to weakening a couple of floors below and a few above.

Even if the whole above part of the building was to collapse it would till and fall down on to the side of the impact where most of the steel structure and structure as a whole would be damaged. It would never be enough to make the entire building to collapse. The bottom floors constantly hold up the entire x floors every day. There's IMO no way that the jet fuel would burn/weaken the entire steel frame structure all the way to the bottom at that speed.

Also the videos I've seen of the destruction resemble to me a demolition.



EDIT: I am curious to how some of you belive that the jet fuel could weaken/melt all the bottom floors enough to make the building collapse. So do answer this by answering with your own oppinion if you can.

 

[JerichoHill]

I have one big reason to think so:

Spoiler :

I love you
(in a hulk-a-manic way)

EDIT: Again, I will state, I saw the plane that hit the Pentagon. They were hijacked airplanes. There is no thermite nor controlled demolation.

 

[Patroklos]

Ya but missles compensate by causing EXPLOSHUNS duh Thus reinforcing the point that it was a BOMB and not COLLISHUN.

People weigh more more than bullets.

 

[LucyDuke]

Hi.

Please refrain from saying that someone who writes something is wrong.
Do explain your oppinion about this. (Even though it obviously may contradict with the person, saying that the person is wrong will fuel a discussion. A discussion I do not want as it is not the topic).

Ha ha! You don't get to make the rules!

So what do you have to say about those of us who believe the "official" story? You know, the true one. What's wrong with us?

 

[JollyRoger]

Ha ha! You don't get to make the rules!

So what do you have to say about those of us who believe the "official" story? You know, the true one. What's wrong with us?

You're an active participant in the conspiracy, just pretending to be tricked into believing "the truth."

 

[JerichoHill]

Please read the popular mechanics article.

 

[sourboy]

The videos clearly show a systematic and rapid destruction of the building in nearly free fall speed.
Something according to the side I support is impossible according to the laws of physics (in their and my oppinion!!) if not explosives are used.

You may want to look a again. After having seen a major bridge collapse in my city "in nearly free fall speed" ... and here's the catch... WITHOUT explosives!!.... it's easy to see that many things, natural or man-made, can collapse easily under pressure.

I'm not saying there wasn't something covered up, but STFU. Explosives were not used, end of story.

 

[Dubai Vol]

I can't be bothered to read two pages of rubbish.

My degree is in mechanical engineering. I know a bit about steel.

The fire did not have to MELT the steel. Steel is weakened simply by being heated. In other words, hot steel is much weaker than cold steel. In other words, steel buildings collapse when they burn, because the fire weakens the steel long before it melts. I learned this in school, I have seen it in person, and any know-it-all who claims that the towers couldn't have collapsed because the fire wasn't hot enough to MELT steel is an unprintably unspeakable idiot.

Don't make me come back in here. You will not like it.

 

[Verge]

The jet fuel should IMO only be able to weaken/melt the steel structure around the impact area which is no more than a few floor and never ever a whole floor.

There is no "IMO" involved here unless you're a structural engineer, architect, or of some similar profession. There are copious amounts of information that will answer your questions, and many users have already kindly directed you to them. Please read them to better inform yourself.

 

[brennan]

The bottom floors constantly hold up the entire x floors every day.

No they don't: a modern building is a steel frame with the rest of the building, floors, walls & all essentially hanging on that frame. If the frame goes, the whole lot goes.

EDIT: I am curious to how some of you belive that the jet fuel could weaken/melt all the bottom floors enough to make the building collapse. So do answer this by answering with your own oppinion if you can.

The fire only has to weaken the area around the impact zone enough for the top section to fall. Once that happens the top section will (and did) crush the rest of the building as it comes down.

 

[Ondskan]

I don't think you can compare a bridge to a building as a building is vertical and a bridge is diagonal. There's also theories to that if enough people walk on a bridge in the same speed/rythm a frequency in the structure can literally demolition an entire bridge.

Ofcourse there is also structural collapse when the structure is put to to much strain. I belive that this wasn't the case with the WTC. There was no real "extra" strain. There was only a weakened capacity of the steel structure. I explain my thoughts about that in the post above.


I don't make the rules. I was banned on this forum for braking them. I and others have been warned for flaming, moving outside the topic. I hope that anyone moving outside the topic (stating your opinion about 9/11 and explaining it + listening/reading to other peoples oppinions) should get a warning aswell as that is not the topic.



It's not my opinion. It's Brennans opinion aswell and the 9/11 comissions. They assume that that is ENOUGH to make the entire building collapse. Here is where our oppinions differ. I'll not try to prove my opinion right because it took me years of research (reading, watching, talking - not my own research I admit) to come to this conclusion. I've given you the basis of my opinion though.

 

[brennan]

I don't think you can compare a bridge to a building as a building is vertical and a bridge is diagonal. There's also theories to that if enough people walk on a bridge in the same speed/rythm a frequency in the structure can literally demolition an entire bridge.

Millenium Bridge, London.

 

[Ondskan]

Exacly what I said.

"The bridge's movements were caused by a 'positive biofeedback' phenomenon, known as Synchronous Lateral Excitation. The natural sway motion of people walking caused small sideways oscillations in the bridge, which in turn cause people on the bridge to sway in step, increasing the amplitude of the bridge oscillations and continually reinforcing the effect.[3]"


I'm just not proficient enough in english to produce a sentance like that
That's what I meant with frequency in the structure. Nothing to do with WTC anyway.

 

[JerichoHill]

@@Ondskan
I don't think you can compare a bridge to a building as a building is vertical and a bridge is diagonal. There's also theories to that if enough people walk on a bridge in the same speed/rythm a frequency in the structure can literally demolition an entire bridge.
This theory has been busted repeatedly. Its impossible to do. Learn some science. Watch Mythbusters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_(season_1)#Breakstep_Bridge

Ofcourse there is also structural collapse when the structure is put to to much strain. I belive that this wasn't the case with the WTC. There was no real "extra" strain. There was only a weakened capacity of the steel structure. I explain my thoughts about that in the post above.
And that weaken capacity collapsed the building. Tall buildings are constructed very different from shorter ones. You have to change designs once you get past 10 floors.

It's not my opinion. It's Brennans opinion aswell and the 9/11 comissions.
The 9/11 commision does not believe in a conspiracy.
They assume that that is ENOUGH to make the entire building collapse. Here is where our oppinions differ. I'll not try to prove my opinion right because it took me years of research (reading, watching, talking - not my own research I admit) to come to this conclusion. I've given you the basis of my opinion though.
Have you read the popular mechanics article. Do you know how a skyscraper is built? Have you picked up a book on engineering. If not, then you have not done research.

I believe this to be yet another troll thread. It should be closed. I am tired of folks crying conspiracy when I saw the plane fly over my complex and disappear below the tree line and then hear the BOOM.