JAR03: Portugal, DG, Space Race

CKS · Nov 23, 2019

All of the industrial techs were finished in 4 turns. Flight is due in 3 turns. We need to learn computers next (in 6 turns or less), and then miniaturization. Emerita is building a palace. When we learn computers, it switches to SETI and Guimaraes switches to palace. Then when we learn miniaturization Guimaraes switches to the Internet.
After we learn miniaturization, we should do fission. Emerita can start prebuilding for the UN once it finishes SETI. After fission, we can do rocketry and spaceflight. All the other civs are backwards, in my opinion, so we shouldn't be gifting them into the modern age for their free techs.

Spoiler Boring Turn Log :

Babylon has landed a single infantry in the south. We should be good if they attack us, but they may be after the Ottoman town instead.

tjs282 · Nov 24, 2019

CKS said:
Babylon has landed a single infantry in the south. We should be good if they attack us, but they may be after the Ottoman town instead.

They're almost certainly still after Riza: the 2/4 Bab vInf that was on our land at the end of my set/beginning of your set had also been landed near that town: it then got attacked by the 2 garrisoned Sipahi (don't remember exactly what happened: maybe 1 killed, 1 retreated?) and then retreated into our territory.

(The other Bab Inf that was up the coast near New Guarda was originally escorting a Settler, which I immediately penned in by founding next to it and using 3 Slaves: the Settler itself disappeared -- disbanded? -- a few turns later).

@jarred!

Are you now available to play next? If so, I'd suggest un-penning those 2 trapped Bab Infs, and letting them move down to join their buddy (don't offer an RoP though: see below). Riza can't grow above Pop1 without a Harbour, so if the Babs do manage to take it (e.g. using Frig-bombing followed by Cav- or Inf-attacks), it will autoraze, which will reduce/eliminate the flip-pressure on New Badajoz and New Viseau, and also free up another Pop1 farm-spot for us (on the Hill, if the Bab Infs group on Riza's ruins).

Once Riza is gone, then we could maybe think about booting the Babs? If Hammi complies, great, we'll be able to sell him Steel(?) once his current tech-purchase is paid off (he owes us 168 GPT, for another 7T). If he DoWs us instead, we'll lose his Furs+Silks imports, but we'll also get some (more) WH. With our land now almost fully railed, and a decent stack of maintenance-free Arty(Foreign), and with Infs + Tanks (+ Destroyers + Bombers) now quickly buildable in large numbers (if we want them), we'll easily be able to deal with pretty much anything he could possibly throw at us, so any WH wouldn't be going away anytime soon.

And we could also replace the 2 lost Luxes by finally making peace with Gil, and buying his Gems+Ivory instead.

Ooh, and I see a tech-trade to the Ottos is also about to expire (Ozzie owes us 223 GPT, for another 1T): sell them Corp next, to keep draining his Treasury?

CKS · Nov 24, 2019

All good ideas. I don't see the Babylonians making a serious attempt at Riza, though.
Definitely keep draining the AI treasuries; we can make far better use of their money than they can.

tjs282 · Nov 27, 2019

I just realised that I tagged the wrong "Jarred" in my last post :blush:

Unfortunately, that CFC-er didn't notice my error, because he(?) doesn't seem to have been here since March 2001: according to his(?) posting-history, he(?) was last seen discussing CivII modding, and the imminent release of CivIII!

I fixed the USER-link now, but since it's an edit, rather than a new post, I suspect that it won't provide a new notification to the real @jarred! — who doesn't seem to have logged into/ posted on CFC since his last entry to this thread, nearly 2 weeks ago. Hope everything's OK...

Shall we give him another couple of days, before I pick it up again this weekend?

CKS · Nov 27, 2019

I'm good with that.
jarred!, I hope things are just busy (and not bad) in real life.

tjs282 · Nov 30, 2019

Still no word from @jarred! ?

OK, so call this my gottit. Will try and get my set wrapped up by tomorrow evening.

tjs282 · Dec 1, 2019

Right on schedule:

Turnlog is mostly uneventful, but included for form's sake:

Spoiler 1375-1400 AD :

Spoiler 1405-1425 AD :

Handover:

We are 6T from Miniaturization (might want to think about putting OffshoreRigs in Lisbon, Khabarovsk, Sagres, Guim, Lagos, Sao Paulo? NEESparta?), with Fission, Rockets and SpaceFlight already queued. Our closest tech-rival is Babylon, and the next tech Hanni will want to buy from us will be Combustion (or possibly Flight or MotorTrans) in about 17T, when his current purchase (Refining) has been fully paid off. Hanni is also fighting pretty much everyone but us (AFAICT!), so has predictably gone Fascist. So there's no rush to get UN done on the same turn as we learn Fission, and therefore Emerita (which could build UN from scratch in ~11T) can build 1T-Cavs for a while, and then start prebuilding Apollo at the same time as we begin researching SpaceFlight.

SETI will be done on this IBT and Guimares will (also) finish the Palace-prebuild (for Internet) in 6T, so remember to switch the build (using "WTBP?") as soon as we learn Mini! Oporto is now building UniSuff (14T) as a prebuild for the UN: it can switch to Palace when Guim is done, and then to UN when Fission comes in. The Internet-prebuild could be slowed if necessary (e.g. by taking 1 citz off the Hill) -- or we may be able to speed up research by converting CivEngs (currently building Courthouses and Markets in the Pop12 farms) to Geeks, and using Cav-disband to finish off the Courts and Markets instead -- probably should have started doing that earlier, rather than using CEs. We currently have >2000g in our Treasury, so could also cash-rush any builds which are, say, <15 shields away from finishing.

Of the 1 remaining Settler-build (in Rostov), this was to Settler-disband and move SW (where the cInf is standing), freeing the FloodPlains for more FPT. Emerita 2 should be Worker-disbanded to give Frankfurt back that 4-FPT tile, to allow it back up to >Pop7: it has a Duct, and if we also Slave-disband Cologne (using 1 Forest-chop per Worker), Frankfurt could use 5 x 4-SPT tiles for Pop11 with 6 Geeks. Slaves are currently solo-seeding those (and other) still-choppable Grass-tiles, and the task (plus the chop + re-irrigation) can of course be sped up to finish in 1T as needed, by adding more Slaves to the pile.

On which subject, I have also planted, chopped and mined/re-irrigated quite a lot of tiles into infra-projects all across our territory during my set, so former Russia and the ex-Byzzie-farmland is pretty well-developed now. There are a lot fewer choppable tiles (updated chop-maps can be posted on request) and I don't think there are (m)any free farm-spots left either, at least none which don't steal food from the watered farms.

That is, there will be no more free farm-spots until we finally dispose of both Dora and Bismarck! We lost Rhodes to a flip on my set, Leipzig is still making an ugly stain (I turned off the nearby Lib-builds, since we were so close to building Internet), and both towns are raising the flip-risk among their neighbours. We have no deals in progress, they have nothing to offer us, our PTs have run the full 20T, so we have nothing to lose by DoWing them. Although both have signed MAs with Ozzie and/or Gil vs. Hammi, neither has MPPs active AFAICT (or if they do, they're with the Summies or Persians, who we're already fighting). So I think it's time to kill them off.

To that end, there is a Destroyer + Transport heading south down the coast of former Greece, and a Transport-build which could be rushed in New Lisbon (now a fully developed Pop10 beaker-farm) just south of the interchoke. There is a MechInf near Cologne, and 19 Tanks + 15 Arty still in the interchoke area (I sank most of the Summie ships, there have been no further landings after the first one in this set). So I'm thinking, bring the Transport(s) to Cologne, load up 1 MechInf + 11 Tanks, drop them on the Hill outside Bonn, and then sweep across the Tundra-island, while using the remaining Tanks to take out Rhodes' Spearmen(?) (raze or Settler-disband it, don't care), and the Arty + Cav-Armies to do Leipzig. Should all be over in a couple of turns after the DoW, and then we can settle a few more farms:

Spoiler Old MacDonald built some farms, E-I-E-I-O :

Save is below...

CKS · Dec 2, 2019

Looks great. If jarred! doesn't make it back in the next couple of days, I'll move us along.

CKS · Dec 4, 2019

Okay, having not heard from jarred!, I've got the save and will start playing tonight.

CKS · Dec 8, 2019

Rocketry is due in 4 at 80%. Byzantines and Germans are gone. We have an MGL sitting on the horses near Lisbon. Emerita makes 100 spt and should start a prebuild for Apollo in 3 turns. (It has been building tanks, but switched to an airport because of a pollution issue this turn.)
Leaving some workers and units with movement – for forestry operations or joining to towns or railroading and for disbanding as you see fit. I'm finding it hard to prioritize right now, and I want to pass the game along. I've been disbanding cavs and stockpiling tanks, but we probably could disband tanks, too, if we like.

Turn 0, 1425 AD
Looks good. Switch Colina de Salitre to transport, so as not to spend lots of time in transit.
IBT: Berlin courthouse > wealth, Lisbon > bank as prebuild for offshore platform, Tavira > bomber, Pharsalos marketplace > university, Lagos destroyer > destroyer, Emerita SETI > police station, Sagres factory > bank, others continue building units, farms build wealth.

Turn 1, 1430 AD
Rush some buildings, turn some CE into scientists. Trade Korea the Corporation for dyes and some gold.
IBT: Germany and Sumeria sign trade embargo against us. Renew lux deal with Babylon, trading them combustion. No important builds. Germany starts US.

Turn 2, 1435
Moving boats toward island. Lots of worker actions.
IBT Sumeria and Byzantines sign a military alliance against us.

Turn 3, 1440
Attack Rhodes, get an MGL. Raze Rhodes, prepare to resettle.
IBT: ZZZ

Turn 4, 1445
Land on island. Take Leipzig.
IBT: ZZZ

Turn 5, 1450
Take Dortmund.
IBT: Learn Miniaturization, start Fission. Build Internet, Fission due in 4.

Turn 6, 1455
Take Prilep, Byzantines are gone. Take Bonn, Germans are gone.
IBT: ZZZ

Turn 7, 1460
Worker actions.
IBT: Ottomans don't want spices anymore.

Turn 8, 1465
Worker actions. Join some workers to towns. Settle a couple of places.
IBT: ZZZ

Turn 9, 1470
Worker actions.
IBT: Learn Fission, swap to UN. Start Rocketry. Cultural expansions mean all our coastal towns need to have citizens reassigned.

Turn 10, 1475
Reassign citizens.

tjs282 · Dec 9, 2019

Great stuff! :thumbsup:

We are absolutely rockin' this map! :rockon:

I've already DL'd the save (been doing this routinely anyway), but again I'll give @jarred! a couple of days to jump in and claim it before I play further myself.

I really hope everything's OK with him, though: he went from daily visits to CFC, to absent for nearly a month now :sad:

tjs282 · Dec 16, 2019

Sorry it took so long...

@jarred! I've been stalking your Profile-page, so I know you were back on CFC last week. Come out, come out, wherever you are! It's your turn!

TLDRLog:

Spoiler 1475-1500 :

Spoiler 1505-1525 :

Handover

We have started building our Ship! :woohoo:

Apollo and all 3 'SpaceFlight'-enabled components are already completed (I used the MGL to 1-turn the Engine), and we will learn Ecology in 3T, with SynthFib already queued (as are the rest of the Ship-techs, in the order I think we 'need' them, but feel free to change that). NEESparta is prebuilding (Palace) for the Exterior Casing (640s), but Storage/Supply (160s) can wait until we begin research on SynthFib, since just about any of our core-towns can easily (pre)build it in 4-5T.

I stationed multiple 12-packs of Slaves in the core for pollution-mopping (36 of them just cleaned up SaoPaulo's Mountain!). Playing pollution whack-a-mole is tiresome though, so I would strongly recommend adding MassTransits in all the Metros once Ecology comes in. Speaking of which, with so many original core-towns now being Metros, I decided to shrink down and Settler-abandon Braga and Rio. With the Hospitals in Emer and SaoPaulo, they were already getting cramped and running Specialists when I inherited them, and the only tile in their collective BFCs that couldn't be worked by a neighbour was Braga's actual location.

So as you can see, Rio is down to its last citizen: don't forget to sell off all the remaining buildings before it vanishes! Once Braga is also down to its last citizen (this IBT), I'd suggest working a Mountain for 1T, then selling everything and cash-rushing a Worker/ Settler there as well. Since I didn't need them to do anything else, there are sufficient Slaves waiting in each, to immediately road, mine and start railing the ruins.

The farm areas are now almost fully populated. I've mostly stopped growth in the low-food (Hill/Tundra) farms at Pop1, the dry farms at Pop4 or Pop5 (Plains vs. Grass), and in the wet farms at Pop10-11; those few which are still growing can soon hit one of those pop-totals with no wasted food. Some farms are still running CivEngs to build Courts and Markets, but these could be switched to Geeks either immediately, or as the current build finishes (most will be done in the next couple of turns). Many of our core and semi-core towns can now knock out Mechs/Tanks/Cavs in 2T for disband-shields if wanted. The tundra-island is also (just) fully Settled: I have built/am building Walls in all the coastal towns. Some of these can still be rushed with chops:

All the remaining Forest and the red circles are choppable: the Cow will be Forested this IBT, and there will be enough Workers free next turn to immediately chop and re-irrigate that tile. Since Bonn has a Duct, I suggest giving it all 3 of the Grass-tiles that it can reach: this will give it 16FPT, i.e. Pop8 with 5 Geeks.

Oh yeah, that reminds me: I left the Tanks+Arty on the tundra-island as a precaution, because 2T into my set, Hammi DoW'd us when I wouldn't give him Oil for free :crazyeye:

That meant we lost his Luxes -- and he lost ours (and the Ottos incidentally lost theirs as well) -- which caused me a few happiness hiccups. So I decided that after ~3000 years of 'war' (give or take?!), it was finally about time we signed a PT with Gilgamesh, to allow us to buy his 2 Luxes instead (they were quite expensive, but we can afford it!).

Ozzie is also getting the short end of the stick in his still-ongoing war with Hammi, and we have a whole bunch of productivity and not much to do with it. So if you feel like being charitable/ want to make your set more interesting, you might want to think about (building an Embassy and) signing an RoP with Ozzie, landing a stack of Tanks+Mechs+Arty on his turf, and liberating some of his (and Wang's?) towns from the Babs. We don't need to keep them though: we have all the Ship-resources on our Continent, so we can afford to be magnanimous and hand them back to their rightful owner(s).

Have fun! The save, as always, is below.

CKS · Dec 17, 2019

Sounds good!
I hope jarred! is up to taking a turn.
Sounds like we can mostly coast, now. If we have trouble staying at 4 turn research, we could take and keep some towns on the other continent, though I personally would not bother, being lazy.

CKS · Dec 21, 2019

Well, having not heard from jarred!, I've got the save and will try to play today.

tjs282 · Dec 21, 2019

No hurry. I'm visiting the in-laws over Christmas, so I won't be available to play again until the 28th or 29th at the earliest.

CKS · Dec 22, 2019

Turn 0, 1525
Things look good.
IBT: Babs bomb a boat.
Turn 1, 1530
Sell refining to Korea for dyes. Rush some builds.
IBT: Nothing
turn 2, 1535
Start irrigating in towns with hospitals that won't be building spaceship parts or anything else useful. Clean pollution. Join some workers. Build some hospitals in partly-corrupt towns that can support a bunch of scientists.
IBT: Korea and Ottomans sign MA against Persia. Learn Ecology, start Synthetic Fibers – Due in 4 turns.
Turn 3, 1540
Sell Ottomans combustion for 297 g + 80 gpt. Make peace with Babs, sell them rocketry for gold and 2 luxes.
IBT: Persia and Sumeria make peace. Abandon Rio Janeiro.
Turn 4, 1545
Same. IBT: ZZZ
Turn 5, 1550: Same. IBT: ZZZ
Turn 6, 1555: Same. IBT: Learn Synthetic Fibers, start Superconductor, due in 4 turns at 80%. Swap to spaceship parts.
Turn 7, 1560: Same. IBT: Build Storage/Supply, decline to hold the UN vote.
Turn 8, 1565: Same. IBT: Build Exterior Casing.
Turn 9, 1570: Same. IBT: ZZZ
Turn 10, 1575: Same.

Superconductor is due this turn. When we learn it, Lisbon and Emerita should swap to the 2 spaceship parts. We should be able to continue 4-turn research until the end.

tjs282 · Dec 29, 2019

OK, I'm/we're back. Since I see @jarred!'s apparently still (again?) incommunicado, I'll aim to play over the next day or two.

tjs282 · Jan 1, 2020

Done with my set

but also with this SG :cry:

Spoiler Turnlog :

Handover:

Not much to say: I (also) did all my target-techs in 4T at various levels of SCI%, and we're currently 3T from learning Laser for the PartyLounge (160s): Leiria (60SPT) just started a prebuild. After that, we only need Robotics for StasisChamber (320s), so e.g. Emerita (>100 SPT) can start a prebuild on the turn we start researching that. So we should be ready to launch our Ship in 7T (=1660 AD?).

So what I did during my actual turns was mostly just fiddling/busywork to satisfy my inner retentive: mopping pollution, upgrading or disbanding (nearly) all our obsolete units, and rounding off FPT-totals in some of the core-towns by selective irrigation/foresting/tile-swapping (also set the towns closest to Lisbon to grow larger than those further out). Cav- and SAM-builds are for disbanding into e.g. MassTransits in the highly irrigated semi-core towns that no longer have substantial SPT of their own. Cruise missiles are just for fun/ potential intruders, or can be disbanded as well. Infra-projects aren't going to make any significant difference to the outcome at this stage, though!

Similarly, Wang's last tech-purchase will be paid off this turn, and though we could certainly throw him another (plus some resources), he probably won't be able to pay much for it (Gil has eaten most of his land, though they are currently still at peace). CAII says that Seoul does still have access to the Dyes he was shipping to us in part-exchange, but who knows how long that will stay true! (i.e. you might need to be prepared to raise LUX% to 10% if he loses one or both those tiles to a DoW/ pillaging).

Save is below. See you on Alpha Centauri!

CKS · Jan 1, 2020

Sounds good. If jarred! shows up in the next couple of days, he can take care of the launch. If not, I'll finish it out.

CKS · Jan 8, 2020

Well, I finally found time to finish it off. This past week has been crazy. Launched at the end of 1655. Before and after launch saves are attached, for anyone who cares.

It was a fun game. Thanks for playing, tjs282 and jarred!.

Turn 0, 1625
Things look good.
IBT: New builds are wealth, because I'm lazy. Dyes deal expires.
Turn 1, 1630
Buy dyes from Korea with steel. Emerita starts prebuild.
IBT: ZZZ
Turn 2,1635 – Clean up pollution.
IBT: Learn the Laser, build 9th spaceship part. Robotics due in 4.
Turn 3, 1640 – Clean up pollution.
IBT: Persia makes peace with Korea. Renew our lux deal with Babylon, selling them satellites.
Turn 4, 1645 – ZZZ
Turn 5, 1650 – Clean up pollution
Turn 6, 1655 – Clean up pollution
IBT: Learn Robotics, swap Emerita to 10th part, launch.

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