Judea

[Ahlabush]

Judean Empire
Judea
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN CREATING THIS, I WILL BRING YOU ALL THE RESOURCES, INCLUDING MUSIC, SENTENCES ETC.

General Concept of Symbol
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Name: Judean Empire
Short Name: Judea
Demonym: Jewish
Starts Bias: Desert
Architecture: Middle Eastern
Music Set: Middle Eastern

Unique Unit: Jewish Slinger (replaces Archer):

Spoiler :

General concept

Unique building: Synagogue (replaces Temple)


LEADER: Judas Maccabeus (Judah the Maccabee/Yahuda Ha'Maccabi).

Spoiler What I drew :

General concept of Judas Maccabeus' logo

General concept of Judas Maccabeus

Spoiler Historical representation :

The commanding figure

The one with the helmet, receiving shekalim from his father, Matthias the priest.

Ability: The Chosen People:

• +2 Faith from desert tiles
• +1 Faith from each Capital connection
• +2 Gold from each land trade route with another civilization

Leader sayings: I HAVE EVERYTHING HERE ALREADY RECORDED

Into: Welcome! I am Judah, son of Matthias the priest. How may I help you?

• ברוכים הבאים! אני יהודה, בן מתתיהו הכהן. כיצד אוכל לעזור לכם?
• Brukhim Ha'Bayim! Ani Yehudah, ben Matityahu Ha'Kohen. Keytsad Okhal La'A'Zor La'Khem?

Attacked: Ignorant! By the hands of the people of the lord of hosts you shall perish!

• בור! בידי עם ה' צבאות תושמד!
• Bur! Bi'Yedey Am Adonai Tsvaot Tushmad!

Declares War: The lord loathes you. Prepare to meet his holy army.

• ה' מאס בך. התכונן לפגוש בצבא קודשו.
• Adonai Ma'as Bekha. Hitkonen Lifgosh Beh'Tsvah Kodsho.

Defeated:*angry* By blood and by fire Judea has fallen - by blood and by fire Judea shall rise!

• בדם ובאש יהודה נפלה - בדם ובאש יהודה תקום!
• Ba'Dam U'Ba'Esh Yehudah Naflah - Ba'Dam U'Ba'Esh Yehudah Takum!

Demand:Give us what we want or face war. [lit: Give all that we want or war shall come upon thy house]

• הבה את כל אשר אנו דורשים או מלחמה תבוא על ביתך.
• Haveh Et Kol Asher Anu Dorshim O Milhamah Tavoh Al Beytkha.

Hate Hello: *Ugh* It's you again.

• *Ugh* זה שוב אתה.
• *Ugh* Zeh Shuv Ata.

Hate Hear it 01: Speak.

• דבר.
• Daber.

Hate Hear it 02: What will you ask?

• מה תבקש?
• Mah Tevakesh?

Hate No 01: Absolutely not. [lit: Very not]

• ממש לא.
• Mamash Lo.

Hate No 02: Never. [lit: Never in the world]

• לעולם לא.
• Le'Olam Lo.

Hate Yes 01: Okay. [lit: Good]

• טוב.
• Tov.

Hate Yes 02: If I must.

• אם אני חייב.
• Im Ani Hayav.

Neutral Hello: Greetings.

• ברכות.
• Brakhot.

Neutral No 01: No.

• לא.
• Lo.

Neutral No 02: I have no interest.

• אין לי עניין.
• Ein Li Inyan.

Neutral Yes 01: Excellent.

• מצויין.
• Metsuyan

Neutral Yes 02: Acceptable. Yes. [lit: It is acceptable to me. Yes.]

• מקובל עליי. כן.
• Mekubal Alay. Ken.

Peaceful: Thank you. I am glad we arranged this.

• תודה. אני שמח שסידרנו את זה.
• Toda. Ani Same'akh Sheh'Sidarnu Et Zeh.

Request: What do you say about my proposal?

• מה תאמר על הצעתי?
• Ma Tomar Al Hatsa'ati?

Gloat: The creator of the heaven and the earth is on our side. No surprise you lost.

• בורא שמיים וארץ לצידנו. לא פלא שהפסדתם.
• Boreh Shamayim Vah'Aretz Leh'Tsideynu. Lo Peleh Sheh'Hefsadetem.

INTO: I HAVE THIS SECTION ALREADY RECORDED
Judah the Maccabee, son of Matthias the priest of Modi'in, may God be your shepherd. You and your army of freedom fighters destroyed the Seleucid control over your homeland and cleansed the holy temple from foreign deities. Your people, the givers of the "Good Book" - the old testament, holding the basic moral rules of Humanity. During your peoples life upon this earth you suffered many great obstacles and threats - from Egypt, to the Philistines, from the Assyrians to the Babylonians, from Spain to Germany - yet you continued to rise back up and claim your right for life - and independence.

O Judah, Hammer of the lord, your people look up to you to lead them to glory! To make Judea the superpower it once was and the fear of any foe! Oh Hasmonean, will you take up the challenge? Can you build a civilization that will stand the test of time?

City list:
Jerusalem (removed as city-state) - capital

Hebron

Modi'in

Shechem

Jaffa

Safed

Tiberias

Bethlehem

Massada

Nazareth

Megiddo

Betar

Metula

Beit Tzur

Beit Horon

Elasa

Be'er Sheba

Haifa

Ashdod

Ashkelon

Akko

Beit She'an

Eilat

Kiryat Shemona

Tel Aviv

Caesarea

Hedera

Netanya

Tel Hai

Maps:

Spoiler :

The Hasmonean Kingdom

Herod's Judea

Kingdom of Israel (preferred map)

IF ANYTHING ELSE IS NEEDED - JUST COMMENT OR CONTACT ME

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, CONTACT ME

Email: yehudahmakabi@gmail.com

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Moderator Action: Please post requests in the main C&C thread, as the other thread is for completed civilizations. You're more likely to get help here as well!
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[DeepSoul]

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Moderator Action: ...and let's leave that there. There are to be NO comments in this thread about the validity of Judea in Civ V, purely comments about modding it.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Neirai]

Okay, I have to ask, with all of the work you've already done, why not just do it yourself? Getting from where you are now to where you want to be is pretty easy -- you've done most of the hard work already.

 

[Murphy613]

I have a few objections here.
1 - Why does everyone give Israeli civs a desert start bias? Have you not heard of the 'Land of Milk and Honey'?
2 - What does the slinger have to with anything?
3 - Yehuda Hamaccabea died fighting against the Seuccuids. His brother Shimeon became king and high priest once the Kingdom was reestablished, and when it was it was not just Judea, but the entire land of Israel.
I'd love to help you with any ideas or anything. BTW, are you Israeli, or Jewish or both? Feel free to ignore this question in your reply.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

I think that a couple of biblical stories give rise to Israel/Judah mods across all civ versions having two elements - the desert bias due to the Exodus story and the slinger due to the David and Goliath story. I'm not saying that makes it right to have that start bias and UU, just saying that's why I think people have them.

 

[Murphy613]

I think that a couple of biblical stories give rise to Israel/Judah mods across all civ versions having two elements - the desert bias due to the Exodus story and the slinger due to the David and Goliath story. I'm not saying that makes it right to have that start bias and UU, just saying that's why I think people have them.

Now that you mention it it seems fairly obvious. But also like you said, it still doesn't make sense. And back then it was not called a Synogogue, but a Beth/Beis Medrash or Beth/Beis Knesset.

 

[Neirai]

I also made an Israel civ, led by Ezra and Nehemiah.

I started them on Plains.
They had a synagogue building, that probably should be called a Beth Medrash or Beis Knesset, as Murphy points out.
They had a Mossad building as well, which gives them extra spies.

Their Unique ability gave them +ranged combat strength, and an additional Social Policy when they built a Grand Temple.

Also, I (not being Jewish or Israeli) was pretty happy that I found a website with the "proper" Hebrew names of cities, so I had Yarusalayim instead of Jerusalem, for example.

 

[Murphy613]

Also, I (not being Jewish or Israeli) was pretty happy that I found a website with the "proper" Hebrew names of cities, so I had Yarusalayim instead of Jerusalem, for example.

That, in my opinion, is pretty awesome. Makes for a great flavor mechanic, and more historic too. (But its Yerushalayim, lol.)
And thanks again for helping me out with the Aliyah lua code for my Israel mod . . . there's a million of those floating around.

P.S. I looked on Steam and Civfanatics - where's your Israel civ?

 

[turingmachine]

I have a few objections here.
1 - Why does everyone give Israeli civs a desert start bias?

Well, a lot of people use start biases wrong.

Everyone just throws them in for historical flavor, but that is not the model that the official civs use. Firaxes only gives a civ a start bias if they specifically have a unique that uses it early in the game. A good civ modder (outside of specific scenarios or total conversion mods) should never giv their civ a start bias just because. If your civ doesn't have a unique that needs the biases before the middle of the game, you shouldn't give your civ any biases at all.

In this case, however, the OP specifically gave their civ a UA that uses desert tiles, so the biases is justified.

 

[Ahlabush]

Okay, I have to ask, with all of the work you've already done, why not just do it yourself? Getting from where you are now to where you want to be is pretty easy -- you've done most of the hard work already.

I suck at modding.

I have a few objections here.
1 - Why does everyone give Israeli civs a desert start bias? Have you not heard of the 'Land of Milk and Honey'?
2 - What does the slinger have to with anything?
3 - Yehuda Hamaccabea died fighting against the Seuccuids. His brother Shimeon became king and high priest once the Kingdom was reestablished, and when it was it was not just Judea, but the entire land of Israel.
I'd love to help you with any ideas or anything. BTW, are you Israeli, or Jewish or both? Feel free to ignore this question in your reply.

1 - Judea, the geographical region, is mainly a desert (see - Judean desert). The Northern kingdom ruled over the Galilee and the coast - the fertile areas. If you go by the area of the Maccabees, they ruled all of the land - but started in the Desert (the area around the Jerusalem and the area of Iudea province), thus, in the start they should start in the desert.

2 - Slingers were a major weapon against the Seleucids, the Romans and the Byzantines (with Sassanid help). Also, king David used a sling to kill Goliath (so, it's also symbolic).

3 - Yes, he did. Shim'on was the first king of the Hasmonean kingdom but Yehudah the Maccabee is more remember for his leadership of the rebellion and his symbolic stature in later Jewish mythology and stories.

I am a Jewish Israeli, I live in Israel.

 

[Murphy613]

1 - Judea, the geographical region, is mainly a desert (see - Judean desert). The Northern kingdom ruled over the Galilee and the coast - the fertile areas. If you go by the area of the Maccabees, they ruled all of the land - but started in the Desert (the area around the Jerusalem and the area of Iudea province), thus, in the start they should start in the desert.

Thanks for the quick response, but what do say about this?

Well, a lot of people use start biases wrong.

Everyone just throws them in for historical flavor, but that is not the model that the official civs use. Firaxes only gives a civ a start bias if they specifically have a unique that uses it early in the game. A good civ modder (outside of specific scenarios or total conversion mods) should never giv their civ a start bias just because. If your civ doesn't have a unique that needs the biases before the middle of the game, you shouldn't give your civ any biases at all.

 

[Ahlabush]

Thanks for the quick response, but what do say about this?

Well, I don't use it for mare historical reason - the bias is used as the unique ability is used - +2 Faith from desert tiles - which is essential for the religious growth of the civilization.

 

[Murphy613]

Well, I don't use it for mare historical reason - the bias is used as the unique ability is used - +2 Faith from desert tiles - which is essential for the religious growth of the civilization.

Sorry, I hadn't seen the trait. Faith from desert sort of makes sense, but the other 2 don't. Perhaps give their units a bonus near their holy cities, even if an enemy captures it? Though this would need lua and be complicated. . . .

 

[Ahlabush]

Sorry, I hadn't seen the trait. Faith from desert sort of makes sense, but the other 2 don't. Perhaps give their units a bonus near their holy cities, even if an enemy captures it? Though this would need lua and be complicated. . . .

Yeah, now that I see that... The trade route bonus is stupid - but the faith is completely logical.

Both historically (the centralization of the faith in Jerusalem by king Josiah) and, as I said, helps the religious part of the civilization which is central in the development of the civ.

 

[Master Jedi]

Murphy613, Ahlabush
Please look here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12986468&posted=1#post12986468
thread 116

May be you'd like to team up for improving the work of that guy?
There are custom sceens with the leader to do and I think special unit change will be needed.
Being an Israeli I can even voice them (too bad I haven't got slightest idea in modding as well-my best was a castle in Oblivion)

 

[Murphy613]

Murphy613, Ahlabush
Please look here: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12986468&posted=1#post12986468
thread 116

May be you'd like to team up for improving the work of that guy?
There are custom sceens with the leader to do and I think special unit change will be needed.
Being an Israeli I can even voice them (too bad I haven't got slightest idea in modding as well-my best was a castle in Oblivion)

I'm not sure what you mean by improving the work of that guy, and if you mean Leugi's mod - well, he doesn't need my help. But I am working on a Maccabean Revolt scenario which should make you and Ahlabush happy. Its about halfway done.

 

[AW Arcaeca]

The only thing I see wrong with this mod idea is that the OP has all the leader sayings written down, which nobody uses, because no one knows how to make the 3D animated leaderscreens and seeing a still person standing there, saying stuff without moving their mouth, is, well... slightly "off", to say the least .

 

[Murphy613]

The only thing I see wrong with this mod idea is that the OP has all the leader sayings written down, which nobody uses, because no one knows how to make the 3D animated leaderscreens and seeing a still person standing there, saying stuff without moving their mouth, is, well... slightly "off", to say the least .

LOL, yeah that occurred to me too.

Edit - Here's a screenshot from my aforementioned mod:

Spoiler :

 

[Master Jedi]

I'm not sure what you mean by improving the work of that guy, and if you mean Leugi's mod - well, he doesn't need my help. But I am working on a Maccabean Revolt scenario which should make you and Ahlabush happy. Its about halfway done.

Yes I did mean to improve Laugi's mod-I am not happy with his UU of choice and it doesn't have cut-sceens with the leader, however I understand, from post above, that you don't know how to make it as well