Norlamand
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Agree to disagree, not too uncommon around here.
Kill Bill
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CurtSibling
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Well, I still say it is a movie that gives off a rotten message to those who can see the obvious.
Phantom Lord
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Well ...
Kill Bill Vol. 1 was the most surprising movie of last year.
Kill Bill Vol. 2 is simply a cinema masterpiece.
Vol. 2 is completely different from Vol. 1, call it a sublime love story with David Carradine giving an Oscar-worthy performance.
Tarrantino has real talent to make his actors act great, he's somehow the Sergio Leone of the 21st century.
Kill Bill Vol. 1 was the most surprising movie of last year.
Kill Bill Vol. 2 is simply a cinema masterpiece.
Vol. 2 is completely different from Vol. 1, call it a sublime love story with David Carradine giving an Oscar-worthy performance.
Tarrantino has real talent to make his actors act great, he's somehow the Sergio Leone of the 21st century.
MrPresident
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You see what you want to see.
newfangle
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Interesting debate Curt.
Though I've only seen the first one, all the violence and asskicking seemed rather satirical to me.
Though I've only seen the first one, all the violence and asskicking seemed rather satirical to me.
cgannon64
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I always thought it was way exaggerated. This movie was his love for bad b-movie kung fu.
I should see it though.
Oh, and Resevoir Dogs was awesome, how did you not like it?
I should see it though.
Oh, and Resevoir Dogs was awesome, how did you not like it?
newfangle
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I enjoyed it, but not as much.
Akka
Moody old mage.
This outcry about racism is simply ridiculous.
It's really actively trying to see racism. Well, when you want to see something, you usually do.
Tsch...
It's really actively trying to see racism. Well, when you want to see something, you usually do.
Tsch...
CurtSibling
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And some of you don't see what you should see.
Because you are in agreement with it...Maybe.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
Curt, you sound like the PC drones I thought you hated.
the mormegil
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I found Kill Bill Vol.1 too unrealistic and tacky. I think before I watched it I was expecting something different so I ended up being disappointed.
As to the current 'debate'. Yes, the fight scenes were highly unrealistic but I don't see it as racism. Curt, you say the film portrays Japanese people/Asians as evil. But then it also portrays several white people as evil including the main 'baddie'. You should also note that it was an Asian (who is certainly not shown as evil) that made the sword that allowed her to kill all those others.
As to the current 'debate'. Yes, the fight scenes were highly unrealistic but I don't see it as racism. Curt, you say the film portrays Japanese people/Asians as evil. But then it also portrays several white people as evil including the main 'baddie'. You should also note that it was an Asian (who is certainly not shown as evil) that made the sword that allowed her to kill all those others.
CurtSibling
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Oops!
Sorry, Should I just join the Klan to make you feel better then?
Phantom Lord
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... or Francis Ford Coppola.Originally posted by CivCube
Tarantino is as racist as Tolkien.
Hmmm... Curt, let me ask you this: do you consider it possible for someone to make a movie in Hollywood, with a a vilan that is not white, thats isn't racist? If so, what would be the criteria for that?
Regards
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Regards
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CurtSibling
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As I said Fred, it is a movie made for a certain demographic.
Yes, Curt, I see that, but what I want to know is that if you consider that there is any way in which an artistic take of a movie can be more important and meaningful than it's comercial context. I am not talking specifically about Kill Bill, that you can read in the manner you like... but just aiming to find out if you are really stating what you said as a principle, not as a casuism.
Regards.
Regards
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andrewgprv
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BTW Curt thought I'd let you know my Japanease friend James loves the film.
I guess he must hate asians too?
I guess he must hate asians too?
CurtSibling
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Originally posted by FredLC
Yes, Curt, I see that, but what I want to know is that if you consider that there is any way in which an artistic take of a movie can be more important and meaningful than it's comercial context. I am not talking specifically about Kill Bill, that you can read in the manner you like... but just aiming to find out if you are really stating what you said as a principle, not as a casuism.
Regards
Movies are to do with commercial gain to cover the capital spent on the production effort.
Art is really in the eye of those who look for such in the movie itself.
What I see, is a director using a clash of archetype characters in which we see his blonde,
white heroine (whom he knows his white audience will approve),
set against racially stereotyped villians
(whom he knows his audience will deplore)
Add this to the fact that he has hijacked the image of a well known Asian star (Lee)
and over-written him with his white character is offensive.
You could say that the movie is a lumping of various chop-socky cliches to make a whole.
I see it as a movie tailor-made for the American audiences who also give
movies like 'Pearl Harbor' credibility as a real historical feature.
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