madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Oh come on man! Some of my best RPC writeups were when I was when I either had too much to drink or had the flu with a fever.
Oh wait, they were the Sury game. Never mind, feel better!
King of the World #13: Asoka
- Thread starter Neal
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Oh come on man! Some of my best RPC writeups were when I was when I either had too much to drink or had the flu with a fever.
Oh wait, they were the Sury game. Never mind, feel better!
Kwibuss
Warlord
r_rolo1
King of myself
History has a way to repeat itself, right Neal? 
About Lib.... Natio seems a no brainer. Justinian and Ragnar already have it, but as you have marble and they don't , I think you have a fair chance vs them ( OTOH if Louis or QSH grab the tech..... ).
More comments after neal gets on his feet
Well, this time you really pissed him offAnyway I would be far more concerned with the fact that Justinian, that has the double of Neal's power, is with hands full and having Neal as worst enemy..... but that is just me
About Lib.... Natio seems a no brainer. Justinian and Ragnar already have it, but as you have marble and they don't , I think you have a fair chance vs them ( OTOH if Louis or QSH grab the tech..... ).
More comments after neal gets on his feet
psyllogism
Chieftain
Get well soon!
(Okay. A lot of sleep later, I think I'm good enough to write this up. It won't be my best work, but it'll get us through to the next round.)
Asoka awoke from his long slumber with the gleam of purpose in his eye. The time for empire building was finished. It was time to begin glorifying India, to make it pleasing to the gods and prove that Asoka's leadership could stand the test of time.
As orders for Temple construction spread across the Arabian Coast, the Holy Romans' emissary humbly petitioned a handout:
Engineering was a valuable military technology, and Charlemagne was at war with a number of civilizations that called India friend. But he was, to be fair, sorely outnumbered, and, as long as that war went on, the rest of the world's predatory eyes would be turned away from the riches of India. It was a cowardly move, Asoka knew, but rulership required a number of tough decisions. The emissary was sent off with a working knowledge of pulleys and levers. By the grace of the gods, perhaps India would be spared as the Holy Roman Empire became a stalemate.
The round was largely quiet on the military front. This was mostly due to the slugfest in Europe, as well as Justinian's decision to bypass another war with India in favor of engaging with more distant opponents:
Even during this time of relative peace, Tehran and Persepolis continued to train train soldiers skilled in the arts of defense and sent them to the borders to protect against inevitable invasion.
Commerce also thrived in those happy days. Resources were shipped across the continent, and profits went towards funding yet more research. Tamed Elephants were even sent westward to France in exchange for quality European Marble to go towards Cathedral building:
Ever since Louis converted to Hinduism, he has been significantly more reasonable in diplomatic matters. In fact, Asoka even went so far as to refer to him as "friend" in their correspondences.
1020 marked the founding of both Muscat on the tip of the Arabian peninsula and al-Kindi Academy in the Babylon urban core:
The Academy would, in the short run, provide a much-needed boost to research for the final push before the advance of Indian knowledge slowed to a crawl in favor of beautifications that would be pleasing to the gods. In the long run, it would provide a small but helpful boost to the city's Culture.
Muscat was quickly joined by the refounding of Justinian's forward base as a seat of Indian control over the region:
Both new cities were left to their own devices, in hopes of the Buddhist faith establishing themselves inside Indian borders. Sadly, Hinduism continued to prove its dominance in this part of the world. So much for the Apostolic Palace pushing its religion. Once the mother faith spread to both Muscat and New Trebizond, Taoist and Confucian Missionaries spread the empire's other religions, and Temples were built to bring favor and permit more Cathedrals.
Asoka's lifework was racognized as great, though he was, for the moment, outdone by the wily French:
Louis' sheer production, combined with his love of beauty and art in all things, makes France an early-game powerhouse in the realms of Culture. But his lack of territory, combined with his befuddled AI brain, should ultimately doom him in the end.
The Khmer, meanwhile, continued their bizarre march west, where they did make war with the distant Spanish. Suryavarman, their inscrutable leader, invited India along on his strange crusade:
Lord Asoka sent along his agreement and his best wishes, but he forbade any Indian-born soldiers from following this migration. The Khmer may be Friendly, but Asoka could not bring himself to trust them or their strange ways.
As the three great Indian faiths began to spread to every city, local clerics began to realize that their doctrines were being diluted, their faithful being reduced to faceless Temple-builders. Suspicious townsfolk began turning away increasing numbers of hastily-trained Missionaries:
Asoka was disheartened. The charges were not totally without merit, but one faith alone would not be sufficient to glorify India. He said a silent prayer and ordered the training of more men of faith. Even integrity must be compromised in the pursuit of greatness.
Not all religious news was bad, though. In 1110, the honorable Abu Bakr settled in Babylon, funneling tithes to the treasury and inspiring the people to be more productive:
Hardly the best possible Great Person, but better than a Spy.
With the discovery of the Printing Press, Lord Asoka had a valuable secret that he could trade around the world to restore India to technological parity:
With Philosophy obtained in trade and the Liberalism prize as yet unclaimed, Lord Asoka was sorely tempted by the siren call of the free technology. But Mansa Musa, craven leader of the Mali, possessed both Education and Philosophy. To aim to win the race this late would be a risky gamble.
But the Indian leader also knew that Education and Liberalism were, even in the absence of the free tech, worth having (particularly for the invaluable Free Speech civic) and, if the gamble paid off, it woud pay off in a big way. Lord Asoka emptied the treasury to Mansa Musa, hoping that it wasn't too late:
When news came later that the Mali had adopted the Free Market, Asoka breathed a sigh of relief. With the African king aiming for Economics rather than Liberalism, he had opened the door to an Indian victory. But other threats remained. Half the world was in the race. Inconsequential Techs were traded around for spare change, and all available resources were thrown into research.
A final trade was made with the Khmer to protect India's people from harm:
I'm convinced that the Khmer should not be trusted with Gunpowder, but there's not much I can do to take it away from them.
Finally, in 1260, the years of hardship paid off. The Liberalism race was, inexplicably, won! Here's a shot of 1270, to let you know what we can get with it:
We can also trade for Astronomy from Charlemagne, and take Scientific Method. I don't know if that's worth doing (it would, after all, kill off our Monasteries), but it would open up Biology and some other juicy techs, so I'll leave that up to you all.
So here's the world, now complete with the Americas:
We haven't colonized South America in a while. Is it worth doing at this point?
Here's a peek at the Domestic Advisor, sorted by Culture:
Tehran is currently a better city than Vishakhapatnam. I don't know if we should change horses midstream, or what. I mean, my thought is that, once we crank up the slider, Tehran's Production base simply won't be able to keep up with Vishakhapatnam's Commerce. Again, I'll leave that open to debate.
Here's the Tech screen:
It's too bad that I can't get Banking in time for Liberalism. Replacable Parts might have been another worthy alternative.
Finally, the Diplomacy screen:
According to Rolo, The Second Byzantine War is right around the corner, so that should be fun for the next round. Outside of that, is it time to turn off Research in favor of Culture? What should our Civics options be? And who shot J.R.?
The save is on my post on the previous page.
Asoka awoke from his long slumber with the gleam of purpose in his eye. The time for empire building was finished. It was time to begin glorifying India, to make it pleasing to the gods and prove that Asoka's leadership could stand the test of time.
As orders for Temple construction spread across the Arabian Coast, the Holy Romans' emissary humbly petitioned a handout:
Engineering was a valuable military technology, and Charlemagne was at war with a number of civilizations that called India friend. But he was, to be fair, sorely outnumbered, and, as long as that war went on, the rest of the world's predatory eyes would be turned away from the riches of India. It was a cowardly move, Asoka knew, but rulership required a number of tough decisions. The emissary was sent off with a working knowledge of pulleys and levers. By the grace of the gods, perhaps India would be spared as the Holy Roman Empire became a stalemate.
The round was largely quiet on the military front. This was mostly due to the slugfest in Europe, as well as Justinian's decision to bypass another war with India in favor of engaging with more distant opponents:
Even during this time of relative peace, Tehran and Persepolis continued to train train soldiers skilled in the arts of defense and sent them to the borders to protect against inevitable invasion.
Commerce also thrived in those happy days. Resources were shipped across the continent, and profits went towards funding yet more research. Tamed Elephants were even sent westward to France in exchange for quality European Marble to go towards Cathedral building:
Ever since Louis converted to Hinduism, he has been significantly more reasonable in diplomatic matters. In fact, Asoka even went so far as to refer to him as "friend" in their correspondences.
1020 marked the founding of both Muscat on the tip of the Arabian peninsula and al-Kindi Academy in the Babylon urban core:
The Academy would, in the short run, provide a much-needed boost to research for the final push before the advance of Indian knowledge slowed to a crawl in favor of beautifications that would be pleasing to the gods. In the long run, it would provide a small but helpful boost to the city's Culture.
Muscat was quickly joined by the refounding of Justinian's forward base as a seat of Indian control over the region:
Both new cities were left to their own devices, in hopes of the Buddhist faith establishing themselves inside Indian borders. Sadly, Hinduism continued to prove its dominance in this part of the world. So much for the Apostolic Palace pushing its religion. Once the mother faith spread to both Muscat and New Trebizond, Taoist and Confucian Missionaries spread the empire's other religions, and Temples were built to bring favor and permit more Cathedrals.
Asoka's lifework was racognized as great, though he was, for the moment, outdone by the wily French:
Louis' sheer production, combined with his love of beauty and art in all things, makes France an early-game powerhouse in the realms of Culture. But his lack of territory, combined with his befuddled AI brain, should ultimately doom him in the end.
The Khmer, meanwhile, continued their bizarre march west, where they did make war with the distant Spanish. Suryavarman, their inscrutable leader, invited India along on his strange crusade:
Lord Asoka sent along his agreement and his best wishes, but he forbade any Indian-born soldiers from following this migration. The Khmer may be Friendly, but Asoka could not bring himself to trust them or their strange ways.
As the three great Indian faiths began to spread to every city, local clerics began to realize that their doctrines were being diluted, their faithful being reduced to faceless Temple-builders. Suspicious townsfolk began turning away increasing numbers of hastily-trained Missionaries:
Asoka was disheartened. The charges were not totally without merit, but one faith alone would not be sufficient to glorify India. He said a silent prayer and ordered the training of more men of faith. Even integrity must be compromised in the pursuit of greatness.
Not all religious news was bad, though. In 1110, the honorable Abu Bakr settled in Babylon, funneling tithes to the treasury and inspiring the people to be more productive:
Hardly the best possible Great Person, but better than a Spy.
With the discovery of the Printing Press, Lord Asoka had a valuable secret that he could trade around the world to restore India to technological parity:
With Philosophy obtained in trade and the Liberalism prize as yet unclaimed, Lord Asoka was sorely tempted by the siren call of the free technology. But Mansa Musa, craven leader of the Mali, possessed both Education and Philosophy. To aim to win the race this late would be a risky gamble.
But the Indian leader also knew that Education and Liberalism were, even in the absence of the free tech, worth having (particularly for the invaluable Free Speech civic) and, if the gamble paid off, it woud pay off in a big way. Lord Asoka emptied the treasury to Mansa Musa, hoping that it wasn't too late:
When news came later that the Mali had adopted the Free Market, Asoka breathed a sigh of relief. With the African king aiming for Economics rather than Liberalism, he had opened the door to an Indian victory. But other threats remained. Half the world was in the race. Inconsequential Techs were traded around for spare change, and all available resources were thrown into research.
A final trade was made with the Khmer to protect India's people from harm:
I'm convinced that the Khmer should not be trusted with Gunpowder, but there's not much I can do to take it away from them.
Finally, in 1260, the years of hardship paid off. The Liberalism race was, inexplicably, won! Here's a shot of 1270, to let you know what we can get with it:
We can also trade for Astronomy from Charlemagne, and take Scientific Method. I don't know if that's worth doing (it would, after all, kill off our Monasteries), but it would open up Biology and some other juicy techs, so I'll leave that up to you all.
So here's the world, now complete with the Americas:
We haven't colonized South America in a while. Is it worth doing at this point?
Here's a peek at the Domestic Advisor, sorted by Culture:
Tehran is currently a better city than Vishakhapatnam. I don't know if we should change horses midstream, or what. I mean, my thought is that, once we crank up the slider, Tehran's Production base simply won't be able to keep up with Vishakhapatnam's Commerce. Again, I'll leave that open to debate.
Here's the Tech screen:
It's too bad that I can't get Banking in time for Liberalism. Replacable Parts might have been another worthy alternative.
Finally, the Diplomacy screen:
According to Rolo, The Second Byzantine War is right around the corner, so that should be fun for the next round. Outside of that, is it time to turn off Research in favor of Culture? What should our Civics options be? And who shot J.R.?
The save is on my post on the previous page.
Shoot the Moon
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I know it's rather bland, but I think Nationalism might be your best choice from Liberalism. Your definitely going to want it for the Hermitage, and the Taj Mahal would be a nice addition if you can get it too (10
if I remember correctly). If you do plan on continuing research, getting the Taj for a civics change right as you switch to culture could work wonders. They are both doubled by marble to boot (nice pick up there, by the way).
if I remember correctly). If you do plan on continuing research, getting the Taj for a civics change right as you switch to culture could work wonders. They are both doubled by marble to boot (nice pick up there, by the way).
madscientist
RPC Supergenius
Trade for Astronomy, then take SM. I believe yous till get the culture from Monestaries but not sure there.
Next reseach Chemistry/Biology/Physics/Electricity/radio/MM then turn the slider off. That also gives you the opportunity to research Military science for grenaders or seteel for cannons if you need better defense.
Nice round! Oh, and Mary Crosby, Sue Ellen's devious sister and scorned lover of JR pulled the infamous trigger.
Next reseach Chemistry/Biology/Physics/Electricity/radio/MM then turn the slider off. That also gives you the opportunity to research Military science for grenaders or seteel for cannons if you need better defense.
Nice round! Oh, and Mary Crosby, Sue Ellen's devious sister and scorned lover of JR pulled the infamous trigger.
capnvonbaron
Democratia gladii
Nat'lism might be a good grab just for some drafted muskets if Justinian comes at you. Seeing as how only Rags and J-Bizzy have it now, you probably have a decent shot at getting the Taj (which, I might remind you, is a rightful Indian wonder). And if you miss it at least the failure-payout will be worth it.
I see the world doesn't like Chuckles much, huh?
I see the world doesn't like Chuckles much, huh?
re: Nationalism- I dunno, I'm not really digging it. I really wish I'd picked up Banking earlier- Replaceable Parts would have been a slam dunk. As it is, I'm thinking either Scientific Method as high-end trade bait and to put me on the road to Biology or taking Chemistry as a prerequisite for Steel. If Justinian's a-comin', Cannons might just help drive him back. Oh, and I don't think I have much of a shot at the Taj. The Byzantines picked up Nationalism a while ago. I don't think we'll be beating them to it. Oh, and we don't need a Golden Age to switch Civics, silly Moon. We're Spiritual 
re: Justinian- Yeah. I don't know whether I should just hunker down and take my medicine, or continue to delay the inevitable. For instance, I betcha I can get Genghis Khan to declare war on everyone's favorite Eastern European Emperor, and that would probably buy us some time...
re: Charlemagne- Yeah. I'm trying my best to prop up the HRE without entering the war on either side. The longer that snafu goes on, the longer I can build my shiny Cathedrals in peace.
re: Justinian- Yeah. I don't know whether I should just hunker down and take my medicine, or continue to delay the inevitable. For instance, I betcha I can get Genghis Khan to declare war on everyone's favorite Eastern European Emperor, and that would probably buy us some time...
re: Charlemagne- Yeah. I'm trying my best to prop up the HRE without entering the war on either side. The longer that snafu goes on, the longer I can build my shiny Cathedrals in peace.
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Oh, and we don't need a Golden Age to switch Civics, silly Moon. We're Spiritual
Never mind, don't listen to me
r_rolo1
King of myself
Not acording to me
See your own screenshots:Spoiler :
In the first one, barely visible behind the liberalism popup , you can see the score of Justinian. Thanks to the ( insert praise ) BUG mod you're using, you can see that:
-You have 0,5 of his power
-You are his worst enemy ( that little angry man in the right
)-He is with "Hands full" ( the red fist )
Now look at the diplo screen you posted and see in how many wars Justinian is in. Yup, zero
So you you have a guy with the double of your power, pissed with you and gearing to war... hummm, I wonder what is happening
About bribing GK..... well, you'll need to bribe him out of the war with Charlie before that
I tested it in game and indeed he will stop the war with charlie for Edu and will start war with Justinian in the same turn for PP ( I didn't cared to negotiate, but I bet you can get better deals out of this ... maybe Edu + Gunpowder will do the trick ). Anyway, I still say to go natio, just in case you need to draft something 
Oh, and I really don't remember who killed JR ( boy that was what , 30 years ago?
)TheMostWanted
Chieftain
This map is very cool.
Pohjalainen
Chieftain
Justian is coming after you soon. Take Nationalism and buy some time bribing GK to war.
Aside from bribing Khan into a war with Just (whom on this map, normally playing as Qin, am impressed how he can survive AI dog-piling even when behind by an era in Tech yet survive for 100+ turns!), I would say gunpowder wielding Surya with 3 very decent production cities (he has Ankor Thom where I usually place my 3rd city) can also take down Just too. Qin+Wang also make for a good war-monger pair in my experience on this map.
Not acording to me
Spoiler :
In the first one, barely visible behind the liberalism popup , you can see the score of Justinian. Thanks to the ( insert praise ) BUG mod you're using, you can see that:
-You have 0,5 of his power
-You are his worst enemy ( that little angry man in the right
-He is with "Hands full" ( the red fist )
)
Hey, how do you get this "bug" seems interesting.
r_rolo1
King of myself
How about Civics? Free Speech is a no-brainer, and I think Organized Religion is still best while I'm building Cathedrals (and even beyond that, I don't know that it's worth ditching the Sistine Chapel benefit for Free Religion). Free Market is probably worth doing once it becomes available... Beyond that, what should I be aiming for? Hereditary Rule until Universal Suffrage? Slavery or Caste System? Maybe even Serfdom? I'm Spiritual, and I'm still pretty much in B.C. Civics...
Shoot the Moon
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Pacifism, if the military support costs aren't terrible (and assuming Justinian isn't about to declare on you ), could be helpful if you set up a decent Great Artist Farm. However, for the immediate future, I suspect Organized Religion will be best, both for building cathedrals and building missionaries more easily.
Emancipation (mostly for cottage growth; happiness shouldn't be an issue once you crank culture), Slavery (especially during the cathedral/temple building stage) or Caste System for great artists are all viable options.
), could be helpful if you set up a decent Great Artist Farm. However, for the immediate future, I suspect Organized Religion will be best, both for building cathedrals and building missionaries more easily.Emancipation (mostly for cottage growth; happiness shouldn't be an issue once you crank culture), Slavery (especially during the cathedral/temple building stage) or Caste System for great artists are all viable options.
