Kev
Hired Goon
With Hindu as the State religion, a missionary down to Ulundi should be a large priority - especially if you plan to switch to OR (or if you're already there - can't recall, but I thought you were in Theocracy...).
King of the World #8: Shaka
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Civman33
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If Rome is after Carthage, then you should to. Oh, and im surprised no New World civs have been Montifyed
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I was thinking about that as well!
Unfortunately, Montezuma probably won't go after Pacal beause they typically start out naturally "pleased" with each other and on top of that, it's likely the share the same religion. Montezuma could probably take out America easily if the Native Americans weren't on the same continent.
BakingTheArt
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I'm betting Pacal's playing OCC, with Monty as a tech partner, Sitting Bull is choking the Americans, probably getting most of the Great Plains/Great Lakes and Canada, America is trapped on the east coast, and Monty extends from Panama to the north-west.
Carthage would be a over extension of resources, just to get a few crappy cities engulfed in culture. Troops should be going to Mali, where they're really needed, especially in production poor Africa.
Ulundi's probably going to be your 3rd culture city, just because the BCs were crucial in getting culture wins, and Timbuktu just lost all of its culture in your siege. It'd be good a Great Artist farm, or an awesome commerce city, but it can't be a very good culture city.
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On top of that, Ulundi's not that bad of a city actually. With corporations (if the game goes that far), the food becomes less of an issue.
Neal, try building as many cultural buildings in Ulundi as possible. They don't add up much compared to other factors like cottages converting into culture, but it helps.
Neal, try building as many cultural buildings in Ulundi as possible. They don't add up much compared to other factors like cottages converting into culture, but it helps.
re: Minoan- I'd actually planned on putting the city 1NE of Minoan, at the head of the little bay. But Minoan's site is actually probably better, given that it ropes in the Whale. I just wish my army weren't half a continent away...
re: Thebes vs. Uruk- I'd certainly hope so. I'm actually kind of hoping that, since Gilgamesh is playing a One City Challenge, Thebes can take Uruk, wiping Sumer off the map. Given that he's Creative and that I started so late, it's not likely, but it'd be cool.
re: Ulundi vs. Timbuktu- Yeah, I suppose that, with some work, Ulundi could be a reasonable Culture city. I just wish I'd built Culture buildings sooner. I've also got Li Po hanging around there, so maybe I can settle him. This would also work in favor of Shaka's Zulu pride. What's the point of exalting Zulu culture in Egyptian and Malinesian cities? If everyone thinks it's feasible, I'll do it. I can, as Baking said, turn Timbuktu into a commerce city or somesuch. Even with that, the Artist in Timbuktu wouldn't be a huge waste. It would lay claim to all that desert and prevent any garbage city funny business by the AIs. Oh, and yes, that is a floodplains cow. Cha-ching!
re: The Congo city- Yeah, yeah. I'll get on that. After the Inca game, I'm just sick and tired of paving jungle
re: 4000 B.C. save- I'm outta town, unfortunately. Can someone hook him up? If not, I'll post it on Friday or Saturday, along with the round.
re: Thebes vs. Uruk- I'd certainly hope so. I'm actually kind of hoping that, since Gilgamesh is playing a One City Challenge, Thebes can take Uruk, wiping Sumer off the map. Given that he's Creative and that I started so late, it's not likely, but it'd be cool.
re: Ulundi vs. Timbuktu- Yeah, I suppose that, with some work, Ulundi could be a reasonable Culture city. I just wish I'd built Culture buildings sooner. I've also got Li Po hanging around there, so maybe I can settle him. This would also work in favor of Shaka's Zulu pride. What's the point of exalting Zulu culture in Egyptian and Malinesian cities? If everyone thinks it's feasible, I'll do it. I can, as Baking said, turn Timbuktu into a commerce city or somesuch. Even with that, the Artist in Timbuktu wouldn't be a huge waste. It would lay claim to all that desert and prevent any garbage city funny business by the AIs. Oh, and yes, that is a floodplains cow. Cha-ching!
re: The Congo city- Yeah, yeah. I'll get on that. After the Inca game, I'm just sick and tired of paving jungle
re: 4000 B.C. save- I'm outta town, unfortunately. Can someone hook him up? If not, I'll post it on Friday or Saturday, along with the round.
Point13
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Wait, is it possible to completely eliminate somebody via culture flip?
Abegweit
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Yes, but as I understand, it takes attacks from at least two cities.
FlyinJohnnyL
You need more workers....
Hmmm...not so sure. I've done some duel sized maps with 18 civs, and I'm pretty sure my one city completely destroyed some OCC AI with just culture. I could be wrong though, it's been awhile since I've gimmicked a map like that.
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It's certainly possible, as long as they don't have enough units sitting in the city to prevent the flip.
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This was done in a succession game -- the Culturemongers. In particular, I think it was team D out of the 4 teams who actually completed their objective.
On the World map France can quite easily eliminate the English with culture. Wonderspamming with them can also give you Berlin and even more but probably not until after they have founded other cities. The English are easier since they often found their second city pretty late.
Kev
Hired Goon
Regarding Minoan - if you continue to put culture into Ulundi, it seems that you'd probably flip that city, no? Barb cities DO flip don't they? Shows how much I play a culture victory.
Heck, you might end up with Damascus out on Madagascar too.
Heck, you might end up with Damascus out on Madagascar too.
Supr49er
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It's amusing when they do. 
"Yes..." Shaka mumbled, as if coming out of a haze. "Zulu culture comes from the Zulu people! Not from enslaved Egyptians or Mali! The Sistine Chapel shall be completed soon! When it is, I shall declare a feast! Raise the banners high! Bring Li Po, and have him compose a poem to commemorate the occasion! Ulundi shall shine!" The warlord turned to his generals. "But first... let us wipe the blight of Mansa Musa off the face of our beautiful continent."
The round began with a few trades to bolster our shaky treasury:
We ended up getting a less welcome boost when our work on the Mausoleum of Mausollos disintegrated into a smattering of gold coins.
I ended up throwing caution to the wind and spurring my weary army onward toward Djenne. They found a beautiful city ripe for the taking:
I didn't want Mansa Musa fortifying further or, worse, vassalizing himself to someone that I'd rather stay on friendly terms with.
I attached the Great General to the more wounded War Elephant and brought the walls down with my Catapults. It took a few turns, but the Jewish Holy City was mine:
Not a bad little spot. No shrine, though
Attaching the General to a Jumbo wasn't a great long-term move, but it probably shaved 15-20 turns off the time required to take Djenne.
In 670 A.D., we learned just how ahead of real history we were:
Cigarettes!? Camel or Marlboro? Oh, and the restoration of the Theater was well worth the 35 gold.
I don't know who put him up to it, but the normally friendly Genghis Khan decided to be a jerk. Why am I not surprised?
Thankfully, we didn't encounter anything more threatening than a nosy Scout. And a couple of turns later, the Pope declared an end to the war on Mongolia, so I guess we're buddies again.
When Civil Service finished, I got a really good deal on the other half of the Macemen combo:
Haven't built any yet, but we now have the option. Which is nice.
I ended up promoting one of the Impi to a Medic after taking Djenne, so our troops healed up quickly and swooped in on Mansa's Congo city:
I kept it. I shouldn't have, but I did. It can be a reasonable little cottage city in the future.
I continued my trade-happy ways, fetching Feudalism from the Ottomans:
I haven't adopted any of the new Civics yet. I'm still running Organized Religion, Slavery, and the baseline for everything else. I think a revolution is in order soon.
In 775, we got the Booby Prize:
I settled him. It'll be nice to have some Espionage Points to play with, and, besides, he's good for some culture once we have...
That. Now we can start properly pursuing our cultural victory. I've decided to focus on Ulundi, Thebes, and Memphis.
But first, I had one last task to take care of. Djenne was a hotbed of partisan activity. "We refuse to fight our brothers and sisters of the faith" this and "We yearn to rejoin our homeland" that. Blah, blah, blah. There was only one way to skin that particular cat:
Upon being presented with their king's head on a spear, the good people of Djenne calmed down.
I made one last trade before calling the round:
Time to see what Europe looks like.
Turns out old Willem had a little bit more on his map:
Yeah, yeah. Saladin took Minoan. He's welcome to it. More importantly, it seems that the Koreans and Khmer are doing better than I'd anticipated, as are the Romans. Carthage continues to be a thorn in my side. Maybe we should just wipe them out and salt the earth.
Here's a look at our cities:
Yeah, we're a little behind on the Cultural stuff, but as that ALC taught us a while back, it can be done.
Here's a mondo-mega look at the tech screen:
I was kind of thinking we weren't really in the running for the Liberalism race, but, looking at the screen, maybe we have a shot.
And the relations screen:
Boggles the mind, don't it?
So, here's where we stand. I'm trying to spread our religions throughout the empire and get those Temples up, but it's fairly slow going. Militarily, should we make a push to get Carthage off the map, or just send our stack off to the Suez Canal to defend against incursions? Let's stir up some controversy!
The save:
The round began with a few trades to bolster our shaky treasury:
We ended up getting a less welcome boost when our work on the Mausoleum of Mausollos disintegrated into a smattering of gold coins.
I ended up throwing caution to the wind and spurring my weary army onward toward Djenne. They found a beautiful city ripe for the taking:
I didn't want Mansa Musa fortifying further or, worse, vassalizing himself to someone that I'd rather stay on friendly terms with.
I attached the Great General to the more wounded War Elephant and brought the walls down with my Catapults. It took a few turns, but the Jewish Holy City was mine:
Not a bad little spot. No shrine, though
Attaching the General to a Jumbo wasn't a great long-term move, but it probably shaved 15-20 turns off the time required to take Djenne.In 670 A.D., we learned just how ahead of real history we were:
Cigarettes!? Camel or Marlboro? Oh, and the restoration of the Theater was well worth the 35 gold.
I don't know who put him up to it, but the normally friendly Genghis Khan decided to be a jerk. Why am I not surprised?
Thankfully, we didn't encounter anything more threatening than a nosy Scout. And a couple of turns later, the Pope declared an end to the war on Mongolia, so I guess we're buddies again.
When Civil Service finished, I got a really good deal on the other half of the Macemen combo:
Haven't built any yet, but we now have the option. Which is nice.
I ended up promoting one of the Impi to a Medic after taking Djenne, so our troops healed up quickly and swooped in on Mansa's Congo city:
I kept it. I shouldn't have, but I did. It can be a reasonable little cottage city in the future.
I continued my trade-happy ways, fetching Feudalism from the Ottomans:
I haven't adopted any of the new Civics yet. I'm still running Organized Religion, Slavery, and the baseline for everything else. I think a revolution is in order soon.
In 775, we got the Booby Prize:
I settled him. It'll be nice to have some Espionage Points to play with, and, besides, he's good for some culture once we have...
That. Now we can start properly pursuing our cultural victory. I've decided to focus on Ulundi, Thebes, and Memphis.
But first, I had one last task to take care of. Djenne was a hotbed of partisan activity. "We refuse to fight our brothers and sisters of the faith" this and "We yearn to rejoin our homeland" that. Blah, blah, blah. There was only one way to skin that particular cat:
Upon being presented with their king's head on a spear, the good people of Djenne calmed down.
I made one last trade before calling the round:
Time to see what Europe looks like.
Turns out old Willem had a little bit more on his map:
Yeah, yeah. Saladin took Minoan. He's welcome to it. More importantly, it seems that the Koreans and Khmer are doing better than I'd anticipated, as are the Romans. Carthage continues to be a thorn in my side. Maybe we should just wipe them out and salt the earth.
Here's a look at our cities:
Yeah, we're a little behind on the Cultural stuff, but as that ALC taught us a while back, it can be done.
Here's a mondo-mega look at the tech screen:
I was kind of thinking we weren't really in the running for the Liberalism race, but, looking at the screen, maybe we have a shot.
And the relations screen:
Boggles the mind, don't it?
So, here's where we stand. I'm trying to spread our religions throughout the empire and get those Temples up, but it's fairly slow going. Militarily, should we make a push to get Carthage off the map, or just send our stack off to the Suez Canal to defend against incursions? Let's stir up some controversy!
The save:
Great round, You could just ignore Carthage because if you conquer Hannibal's cities, the Europeans will just resettle them. Also, watch out for the Romans, in my experience with Earth 18 civs, if they get a foothold in Africa, they will expand south very rapidly.
Also, thank's for the 4000BC save.
Also, thank's for the 4000BC save.
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