ku1 - Ancient Romans

[ZzarkLinux]

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Are those Numid Mercs defense 4 or defense 5 ??

I think they are 5, but I guess it depends on how the mods add up:

3*(10% + 25% + 50%) = 75% bonus defense = 2 extra defense
3*10% + 3*25% + 3*50% = 0 + 0 + 1 = 1 extra defense

 

[TheOverseer714]

I think walls add about 1 hp, approximately, so yeah, it seems like fighting a Musket with a sword. I guess we can figure 3 Legions per NM. Hopefully we get some more armies to break the walls down, so to speak. The catapults may need sent against the Iroquois, where they may actually be useful. I didn't realize that walls affect catapult utility so adversely.

 

[Mumpulus]

I'm sure that with enough cats we'll be able to retain a good kill ratio. It may also be a good idea to send the army more or less straight to the GW city.

Kurtson was last active on the forum 5 days ago. Seems he's still tied up with other stuff... Maybe Sasquatch should take it?

 

[Sasquatch]

Got it, unless Kurtson pops in. I may be able to play tonight, not sure yet what's on the schedule. Can play tomorrow for sure.

 

[Sasquatch]

Playing now. - Not playing now... Can't find the save Overseer You have about 33 minutes to post it, then I'm going to bed.

 

[TheOverseer714]

The save is now available. Only 2 days late, jeez I think I'm getting CRS. Forgive me...

 

[TheOverseer714]

The save again, just in case the old link won't work. Damn hackers!

 

[Sasquatch]

First thing I notice is Overseer’s Saves. The last save I took was 350 B.C., this save is 350 A.D. …. Hey, simple minds, what can I say.

Preturn
Nothing Major, I move a couple worked tiles around.
Things look good on the warfront. I’d feel better with more troops guarding the home front, especially that East Coast. I’ll work that on my turnset.
Thanks for leaving me in position to take a couple towns out right off the bat J.
Disband Number One and Number Two; their deaths go to build Catapults

Hit enter

IBT
Veii – Lego->Settler due in 5 on growth

360 A.D.
I quickly realize Overseer’s catapult complaints…
Raze Cirta with 2 E-Legos, no promo. It was built on silks so I colonize it with a slave. Lower Lux, now at 50gpt.
Take out random Barb, no promo.
Rush Settler in Lugdunum for 60g, grows to 7 in 1 turn.

IBT
Lugunum Settler->Settler (This city is FOOD crazy)
Pompeii Lego->Worker due in 2 on growth

370 A.D.
OK Cats are useless against walls. We need to concentrate on taking the Great Wall away A.S.A.P. Going to concentrate our troops toward the capital and leave their lone city Nora alone for now.
Found Arta->Settler
Mostly spreading irrigation with the workers.

IBT
Rome Lego->Market (Build HE here next?)
Cumae Lego->Cat
Neapolis Cat->Cat
Pisae Cat->Cat
Ravenna Cat->Cat
Carthaginians complete Temple of Artemis in Carthage
Mongols complete Hanging Gardens in Kraakorum
If it looks like a lot of Cats, we need em. You’ll see when you try to attack the Carthaginians.

380 A.D.
Rush Settler in Viroconium.
Attack on Cadiz:
They just ran Regular troops into the city so I’m attacking
Take one Merc out from inside with the army and redline another
Attack with E-Lego and defeat Merc, no promo
Lose a V-Lego then defeat with E-Lego, no promo

IBT
Viroconium Settler->Settler (Another FOOD crazy city)
Pompeii Worker->Lego
Ottomans complete TGL
Iroquois and Carthage start Sun Tzu

390 A.D.
Kill R-Archer with V-Lego, no promo
Bombard Cadiz, 5 of 6 hit the walls, the 6th misses.
Kill 2 R-Mercs with E-Legos, no promo
Rush Aqueduct in Antium for 82g, about to grow to 7

IBT
Antium Aqueduct->Lego
Cumae Cat->Lego
Byzantium Cat->Settler

400 A.D.
Kill R-Archer with V-Lego, no promo
Settle Aurel on the Silk colony->Worker
Attack on Cadiz take 3:
7 Bombardments, 1 got through and hit
Defeat a R-Merc and R-MI to take the city down, no promos

IBT
R-MI kills our Lego that took the town out, yes I left him undefended, didn’t have enough to protect him so he was sacrificed.
Veii Settler->Lego
Lutetia Cat->Cat
Tarentum Worker->Cat
Our Palace gets stairs

410 A.D.
Redline and kill 2 R-MI and get a LEADER. I’ll start him toward the center of our empire.

IBT
Caesaraugusta Worker->Settler
Hispalis Settler->Catapult
Seleucia Catapult->Settler

420 A.D.
Rush Settler in Lugdunum for 100g, growing next turn

IBT
Iroq galley drops off an R-Archer
Lugdunum Settler->Settler
Cumae Lego->Cat
Pompeii Lego->Lego


430 A.D.
Our Great Leader is ready to build the FP but I think we should discuss where to build it.
So I’ll stop right here, only 2 turns early. Next can just play 12 turns.

NOTES:
Caughnawga is ready to be taken; there is only an Archer there.
There is a Barbarian Camp in the darkness to the NW of Lutetia
The Leader is the only thing that hasn’t been moved. He’s ready to move and build the FP where we choose.
We have a good force ready to go at the Carthaginians and a Settler about to move to the old destryed cities square to build a ew one.
I MAY have something automoving... I think I got em all but I may have missed one.

Civassist II points to Nicodemia as the best FP spot. It’s hard to tell with so little infrastructure built anywhere though. I’d go with Brundism, it seems more central and would help more with our FP cities.

The Save is in the attatchment, uploads are down right now.

 

[TheOverseer714]

Viroconium seems most central, would actually make a good capital. I've seen many on here say that the FP location hardly matters, but I'd want it somewhere useful.

 

[Mumpulus]

Got it and played 3 turns so far. Will continue tonight and/or tomorrow night.

 

[Sasquatch]

I thought about rushing a new palace myself. Something more central for sure since Rome is out in crapland. I definately think the FP matters though, never read that it doens't have a big impact.

 

[ThERat]

Just to let you guys know, I will be away this week until Sunday, so skip me if I am up.

 

[Mumpulus]

I played some more turns last night, and will finish tonight or tomorrow morning. Overseer will be up.

Rome and its immediate surroundings may not be ideal, but they're not disastrous either. A palace build will take forever, and all leaders should be turned into armies because speed is the only thing that matters now. Rome has been on 2 turn legionaries since my third turn or so. I think we'll be fine in terms of production capacity.

 

[Mumpulus]

0) 430AD
Go for FP in Caesaraugusta like I suggested earlier. Corruption is pretty low anyway, this will give us a decent foothold across the channel. Rush a harbor in Dye Town. Switch some towns to settlers in 1, rush some more, and MM quite a few towns for faster growth and/or more shields. Hire some taxmen (e.g. 2 in Lugdunum, it still grows in 2). Switch Pisae to galley.

IT
1-1 against Carthaginian MDIs.

Veii: Settler > Worker
Antium: Settler > Heroic Epic
Viroconium: Settler > Settler
Neapolis: Catapult > Catapult
Dye Town: Harbor > Galley

1) 440AD
Raze Caughnawaga. Kill another Iro archer. Switch from wealth to FP in Caesaraugusta and rush it with the leader.

Go 1-1 again against the same Carth MDI that killed a unit before. Move on to Rusicade.

IT
Caesaraugusta: FP > Harbor
Cumae: Catapult > Legionary
Ravenna: Settler > Catapult
Lutetia: Catapult > Harbor

2) 450AD
Cats go 4/13 at Rusicade, army razes it. Found Hippo Regius, start walls. Kill 4 units without loss and capture a settler.

IT
Carthage lands 2 units near Antium. Ouch! One of our cat stacks is taken by Iro ACavs coming out of the fog. Kill an ACav and retreat one.

Brundisium: Barracks > Spearman
Rome: Marketplace > Legionary
Nicomedia: Catapult > Catapult

3) 460AD
Kill 2 ACavs and a Carth MDI. Take back our cats. Found Nicopolis, start Harbor (later on I realized I misplaced this town by one tile). Kill an archer near Arta. All combat is with elites, but no leaders.

IT
Kill 2 MDIs and retreat an ACav.

Veii: Worker > Worker
Pisae: Galley > Catapult

4) 470AD
Kill 2 archers in or near our lands. Army kills a Merc in Utica (GW town).

Found Londinium, start worker. Found Eburacum, start catapult.

IT
Kill an ACav.

Rome: Legionary > Legionary
Cumae: Legionary > Spearman (for MP)
Pompeii: Settler > Legionary
Byzantium: Settler > Barracks
Syracuse: Settler > Catapult

5) 480AD
Found Arretium (we have ivory now), rush barracks immediately (via worker) for faster healing. Found Gordion, start harbor.

Kill ACav, 2 MDIs, and a Merc, all with elites, no leaders.

IT
Go 2-2 against MDIs, which is fine, because I would have had to sacrifice too much speed to save them.

Veii: Worker > Marketplace
Neapolis: Catapult > Catapult
Arretium: Barracks > Walls

6) 490AD
Disperse a barb camp up north. Kill an MDI and an archer. Bomb out a road to protect a settler moving into Carthaginian territory. Army takes out another Merc at Utica.

Rush a galley to start ferrying troops.

IT
Defeat an MDI outside Theveste.

Rome: Legionary > Legionary
Cumae: Spearman > Spearman
Dye Town: Galley > Galley

7) 500AD
Found Agrippina, start worker. Found Cyrene, start harbor.

Kill an Iro sword.

IT
No combat.

Pisae: Catapult > Settler
Ravenna: Catapult > Catapult
Seleucia: Catapult > catapult

8) 510AD
Land 4 legionaries on the mountain near Hippo, and capture 2 workers in the process.

Found Tyrus, start barracks.

IT
Go 2-1 against MDIs.

Rome: Legionary > Legionary
Cumae: Spearman > Settler
Dye Town: Galley > Galley
Lutetia: Harbor > Galley
Arta: Settler > Settler

9) 520AD
While killing stray units, finally get this:

Kill another Merc in Utica.

IT
Defeat MDI and ACav.

Pompeii: Legionary > Settler

We get a palace extension

10) 530AD
Redline and sink a Carthaginian galley, promoting ours to elite.

Found Verona, start harbor.

Bombing Utica destroys its cathedral and then ... the Great Wall

The defenders at Theveste are dead meat now. Kill 2 Mercs and a healing MDI. One other healing MDI remains.

IT
No combat.

Brundisium: Spearman > Spearman
Rome: Legionary > Legionary
Caesaraugustu: Harbor > Galley
Neapolis: Catapult > Catapult
Dye Town: Galley > Galley
Ravenna: Catapult > Catapult
Tarentum: Catapult > Catapult

11) 540AD
Found Corfinium, start harbor.

Kill 3 units and raze Theveste. Kill 2 units and raze Utica. Kill 2 units and raze Nora.

IT
Loose 2 exposed legionaries to MDIs.

Lugdunum: Settler > Settler
Cumae: Settler > Legionary
Hippo Regius: Worker > Worker
Aurel: Galley > Galley

Hattusas finishes Sun Tzu.

12) 550AD
Found Mediolanum, start worker. Army goes red killing a Merc in Leptis Magna.

Hand-off notes:
- Veii will pick up extra shields on growth to make up for the 2 missing shields towards its marketplace.
- Lugdunum can use mined deserts and still grow fast; should save us a lot of rushing money
- Cumae can take stronger tiles and grow again after Pisae finishes its settler.
- Hispalis could also benefit from some mined deserts.
- Gordion and Nicopolis need a road connection. I'd put Veii back on workers after the market; we can use lots more.
- Galley 4 is meeting up with the settler near Brundisium and the settler that will be produced in Pisae. They can go to Tyrus from there.
- Keep building galleys, and send some out to explore for the other continent. Our "fleet" is in Dye Town, with 1mp left.
- We're a little thin on troops in the east, but the Nora troops can move there as soon as they're healed.
- I didn't build many settlers; our build ratio should be increased now that we're starting to cut through the enemy.
- The Carthaginian settler pair is heading for the Utica spot.

 

[Mumpulus]

 

[Mumpulus]

 

[Mumpulus]

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[TheOverseer714]

Got it, will play tonight. Any suggestions, comments, strategies(beyond Mumps fine analysis), now is the time to post.

 

[TheOverseer714]

I have played my turns out, all is going well. Here is my turn-log:

Spoiler :

Pre-Flight: CivAssist 2, Word running. Open the save, look things over. Assess military, position of units.

Civilian units:
Settlers 3
Workers 18
Slaves 45

Military units:
Warriors 2
Catapults 41
Galleys 5
Spearmen 3
Armies 2, 3 Legionary
Legionaries 42
Press enter=>

IBT: Iroquois capture unguarded worker.
Settler pair retreats back into home territory.
4 workers hide in Leptis Magna.
Rome Legionary=> Legionary.
Viroconium Settler=>Settler.
Pisae Settler=>Settler.
Byzantium Barracks=> Legionary.

560 AD: Yellow-line the NM guarding Leptis Magna.
1st Imperial Legion loses 3 hp, but Leptis Magna is razed, 6 slaves taken.

IBT: Iroquois AC comes out of nowhere to kill an exposed eLegion.
Ravenna catapult=>catapult.
Hispalis settler=>settler.
Londinium worker=>worker.

570 AD: Treveri founded north of Arta=>worker.
Stupid mistake, may lose some catapults when eLegion red-lines killing red-lined spear.

IBT: RnG gods forgive me, redlined eLegionary survives a 4hp AC.
Carthage settles Rusaddir right by where Leptis Magna was.
Rome Legionary=> Legionary.
Cumae Legionary=> Legionary.
Pompeii settler=>settler.

580 AD: Hippo taken with loss of 1 elite, 1 regular.
Sirmium founded east of Treveri=>worker.

IBT: No attacks.
Veii Marketplace=>Legionary.
Neapolis catapult=>catapult.

590 AD: Augustodorum founded 1 north of ashes of Hippo=>catapult.
Allows 7 catapults and 6 Legions to line up on Carthage.
1st and 2nd Legions burn Russaddir.

IBT: Carthage MDI suicides on Legionary at Carthage, no damage, Legionary promotes.
Rome Legionary=> Legionary.
Agrippina worker=>worker.

600 AD: Catapults reveal 4 defenders at Carthage. I want more cats and an army there, timetable 3 turns.
Trapezus settled SE of Tyrus=>catapult.

IBT: Damn Iroquois keep butting in, an AC appears where if lucky could cause serious problems.
Cumae Legionary=> Legionary.
Ravenna catapult=>Barracks.
Syracuse catapult=>Galley.
Nicomedia settler=>settler.

610 AD: Bagacum founded E of Trapezus=>catapult.
2nd Legion kills AC at the cost of 4 hp.

IBT: Rome Legionary=> Legionary.
Caesaraugusta Galley=>Galley.
Veii Legionary=>Legionary.
Pompeii Galley=>settler.
Lutetia Galley=>Galley.
Eburacum catapult=>catapult.
Tyrus Barracks=> Legionary.

620 AD: Lauriacum founded N of Nicomedia.
Sabratha razed by 1st Legion and single Legionary, no losses, 2 slaves taken, 3 cities left, then it’s the Iroquois’ turn.

IBT: Neapolis catapult=>Marketplace.
Pisae settler=>catapult.
Tarentum Galley=>Galley.
Add 4 pillars to our palace.

630 AD: Carthage razed by 2nd Legion and 3 individual Legionaries, no losses. 6 slaves taken.

IBT: Iroquois MDI kills Legionary without breaking a sweat.
Rome Legionary=> Legionary.
Cumae Legionary=> Legionary.
Byzantium Legionary=> Legionary.

640 AD: Teurnia founded 1 SE of where Carthage was=>catapult.
Kill the Legionary killing MDI.

IBT: Veii Legionary=>Legionary.
Treveri worker=>worker.
Hippo Regius worker=>worker.
Ravenna Barracks=>Legionary.
Mediolanum worker=>worker.

650 AD: Catapults and 1st Legion in position to take Leptis Minor next turn.

Civilian units:
Settlers 1
Workers 23
Slaves 65

Military units:
Warriors 2
Catapults 47
Galleys 9
Spearmen 3
Armies 2, 3 Legionary
Legionaries 48

Hand-off notes: Troops are in position for taking Leptis Minor next turn, and within 3-4 turns Carthage will be gone. We can begin the assault on the Iroquois after that. I sent one galley on a suicide run to the west, and there is one that could go east in several turns. I have a sinking feeling that the minimum gap between continents is at least 3 sea tiles, and possibly even more. If that is the case, we may be in trouble. A picture:

Spoiler :

 

[Mumpulus]

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