ku1 - Ancient Romans

[Sasquatch]

3 days later and I've only looked at the save... Sorry, life gets busy and these SGs take more time than I anticipated. Going to play my turns today but the turnlog won't be as through as I'd like. It just taks too long to post each city I rush something in and whatnot. We have lots of cash atm to rush galleys and legos. We can use our workers to help rush things also (they do take gold to support right? I think so) That will give us ore gpt. Also, we can bring another country into war against Mongolia can't we? No rule agaist that. What if we use one nation on the other continent against all of the others, one by one. The goal is conquest, not domination. We can still do this.

I won't bring another nation into the war unless I see some support for the idea here while I play the turnset. I have things to do so i'll be on and off it until later tonight.

 

[TheOverseer714]

Great idea to use the power of alliances to get things stirred up. I'd like to see everyone allied against the Mongols. Take this as vote for alliances.

 

[Sasquatch]

The Hittites have 15 cities, Otto and Byzantine have about that between them both. I would use the Hittites only, to keep the other two (who we'll be going after next) from building more military units. I'm only 3 turns. I built an Embassy with Hittites, they have Sun Tzu and will join the war for 170g. Going to draw them in now.

 

[Sasquatch]

Civilian units:
Settlers 6
Workers 32
Slaves 103

Military units:
Catapults 60
Spearmen 3
Galleys 22
Armies 2, 3 Legionary
Legionaries 77




Rush:
- 14 galleys
- 1 temple
- 1 settler
- 5 cats
1332g

IBT
Mongol Keshik takes out a Lego and they move 3 LBs and a Keshik into our territory
Finish:
- 16 Galleys
- 3 Legos
- 5 Cats
- 1 Settler
- 1 Temple
Start:
- 16 Galleys
- 4 Legos
- 4 Cats
- 2 Settlers
Hittites start Sistine
1 Galley sinks

1010 A.D.
Rush Market in Lugdunum
Pull our troops away from Krakorum
Retreat a Keshik
Kill 2 LB, no promo
Disband a dozen workers
Rush a galley and a Lego

IBT
Mongols attack and lose 1 LB and a Keshik; we get a promo and lose an Elite
Finish:
- 1 Market
- 3 Legos
- 2 Galleys
- 1 Cat
Start:
- 3 Galleys
- 3 Legos
- 1 Cat
Otto starts KT
Lose BOTH empty galleys

1020 A.D.
Disband 10 workers
Rush 2 Settlers and a Galley
Build Embassy with Hittites for 72g, they have 15 cities. The most of the known new world. They have Sun Tzu in Hattusas. They have Saltpeter, Iron and horses. 4 Muskets, 1 LB and a Settler. Running 40% Science. Building Cathedral, done in 15 turns. They will give MA against Mongols for 8g and 10gpt… Pennies!

IBT
Mongols lose Keshik to us, promo to Elite
Finish:
- 3 Settlers
- 2 Legos
- 1 Galley
Start:
- 2 Settlers
- 2 Legos
- 2 Galleys

1030 A.D.
Disband 3 Workers
Found Retrium->Cat
Rush 3 Galleys
I mess up and spend our cash rushing things so our alliance is gonna cost us an extra 21g
Buy Hittites into war against Mongols for 10gpt (they throw in their 9 gold) and are now polite.

IBT
Mongols still on the attack, they lose a Keshik, no promo
Finish:
- 4 Galleys
- 2 Legos
Start:
- 4 Galleys
- 2 Legos
Our Palace gets a west wing
Hittites start Sistine Chapel again?

1040 A.D.
Rush 3 Galleys, 3 Settlers
Move to settle for that Mongolian Iron
Bring 6 empties to cross the straight…

IBT
Mongols attack and kill an E-Lego, retreating Keshiks starting to bug me.
Finish:
- 4 Legos
- 4 Galleys
- 4 Settlers
- 1 Market
- 1 Cat
Start:
- 4 Legos
- 3 Galleys
- 5 Temples
- 1 Barracks
- 1 Cat
FOUR of our six Galleys sink L

1050 A.D.
Shot 11 Cats, hit 3. There are at least 4 muskets… We need our force across that gap to do any damage.
Rush 2 Galleys
All this blankness is just a LOT of movement

IBT
Defeat Keshik and LB, 1 promo to Elite. Retreat a Keshik.
Finish:
- 2 Cats
- 2 Galleys
- 1 Lego
Start:
- 1 Cat
- 1 Lego
- 2 Galleys
- 1 Spear
FOUR of six Galleys sink L

1060 A.D.
7 of 11 hits on Kazan! Redlining the 3 Muskets. Take the city clearing our spot for the Iron Mountain. Get one promo to elite, but on the now stranded Lego. Capture 3 Settlers, Mongols like to make Settlers.
Found New Kazan and claim our iron->Rax
Not rushing anything, saving it for Rax next turn.
Park 8 Galleys in the deep blue sea

IBT
Mongols send 1 Keshik to take New Kazan, it retreats…
Finish:
- 3 Legos
Start:
- 3 Legos
Only lose 3 of the 8 galleys J
1070 A.D.
Kill the Keshik with the stranded E-Lego, no promo (he’s dead IBT)
Rush:
- Rax in New Kazan
- 2 Legos
- 2 Galleys
Found Popsillis-> Spear

IBT
Mongols bring 2 LBs to kill our Elite; we kill one and then lose.
Finish:
- 4 Galleys
- 1 Cat
- 4 Legos
- 1 Barracks
- 1 Settler
Start:
- 5 Galleys
- 1 Cat
- 5 Legos
Mongols start KT
Only lose 2 of 6 Galleys

1080 A.D.
Rush Settler and 3 Galleys
Moving troops and stuff
Switch New Kazan to Temple (We may need the Culture to keep that Iron from Byzantine)

IBT
Rome and CeasarAugusta Riot…
Finish:
- 5 Legos
- 5 Galleys
- 2 Settlers
- 1 Barracks
Start:
- 6 Legos
- 5 Galleys
- 2 Settlers
3 of 7 Galleys sink

1090 A.D.
Rush Temple in New Kazan
Found Romecicle->Spear
Move stack back toward Mongol capital

IBT
Mongols attack our stack and lose a LB, they also pull a pear away that was heading for our Iron.
New Kazan Temple->Lego
Finish
- 1 Lego
- 1 Galley
Start
- 1 Lego
- 1 Galley
Hittites finish Leo’s in Tarsus
FOUR of 7 galleys sink

1100 A.D.
Bombard Kazan and hit 9 of 24, they have 8 Muskets in there, 2 Vets, 6 Regular.

I left the cash for the next player to rush what he/she wants

Notes for next player:
2 Lego’s in the overseas cities seems to be plenty to fend off the Mongols pathetic attempts at attacking.
As I closed Civassist I noticed we are UP Currency on someone, sell that thing!
That’s about it, times up for me. Have at it J


Civilian units:
Settlers 13
Workers 2
Slaves How do you know how many slaves you have? Count them all?

Military units:
Catapults 70
Spearmen 3
Galleys 34
Armies 2, 3 Legionary
Legionaries 96

 

[ThERat]

good idea to bring in someone else to fight alongside...good turns anyway
what we need is an army hat could take out some stronger enemy units as well

I saw that one civ was terribly backwards, we might want to lave them last to not let the others get to rifles or cavs.

 

[Mumpulus]

Got it, starting now.

 

[Mumpulus]

Quick update: I played 2.5 turns this morning, tried my luck on turn 3 and got 2 leaders. Karakorum is gone.

This game is probably in the bag now. We'll just have to play well to maximize our speed to get through our enemies before they get to rifles. That's why these turns are taking a lot of time, with continuing MM and all that. I'll try to finish by tomorrow night.

 

[Mumpulus]

Another update: I tried to finish and failed. Had a little less time then I anticipated. I've finished turn 7 and would really like to finish my set, so it'll be another day. Sorry for the delay.

 

[Mumpulus]

We start with 70 cats, 34 galleys, and 96 legionaries.

0) 1100AD
Rush a temple in new shores. Theo doesn't have currency, but doesn't have anything to give for it. Land units. Return 4 galleys to center. Rush harbor in Lugdunum. Switch temple in Atraxa to settler. Sell barracks in Tyrus. Switch to high food in corrupt towns. We are building temples in towns that have plenty of tiles to work, while the temples I started in the desert fishing villages near our core have been canceled? MM gains us 26gpt.

IT
Rome: Legionary > Legionary
Lugdunum: Harbor > Settler
Antium: Legionary > Legionary
New Shores: Temple > Legionary
Atraxa: Settler > Settler
Ravenna: Legionary > Legionary
Lauriacum: Catapult > Aqueduct

4/9 galleys sink.

1) 1110AD
Quite a few units on goto...

IT
An eLegionary defends against an LB.

Brundisium: Settler > Legionary
New Kazan: Catapult > Catapult
Cumae: Legionary > Legionary
Pompeii: Galley > Galley
Nicolopis: Galley > Galley
Forward: Galley > Galley

5/8 galleys sink.

2) 1120AD
Cats do very well at Karakorum, and I decide to take a risk. eLegionary redlines 2hp musket but then dies. The second eLegionary wins against a 2hp musket, and:

Veii switched to Pentagon in 1. Army and eLegionary kill 2 more muskets. The next eLegionary gives us another army. eLegionary kills another musket, showing an MDI now. vLegionary kills MDI, vLegionary dies on 1hp musket and promotes it. Hold off for now.

IT
Loose a vLegionary to an LB out of Karakorum.

Rome: Legionary > Legionary
Caesaraugusta: Galley > Galley
Veii: Pentagon > Legionary
Treveri: Galley > Galley
Viroconium: Legionary > Spearman
New Shores: Galley > Galley
Byzantium: Legionary > Legionary
Syracuse: Galley > Galley
Nicomedia: Galley > Galley

3/7 galleys sink.

3) 1130AD
Found New Karakorum, start walls.

Redline muskets in Karakorum, armies kill 3 of them, eLegionary kills LB, and:

Redline and sink a galley. Found Cervus, start galley.

IT
vLegionary kills an LB clean.

Sirmium: Galley > Galley
Antium: Legionary > Legionary
Ravenna: Legionary > Legionary
Forward: Galley > Galley
Hispalis: Galley > Galley
Jerusalem: Legionary > Legionary
Eburacum: Temple > Galley

5/7 galleys sink.

4) 1140AD
Found Ulaanbeater, start walls. Move troops into place. Rush some settlers to fill out the southern lands more quickly.

IT
Mongols and Hittites sign peace.

Rome: Legionary > Legionary
Veii: Legionary > Legionary
Cumae: Legionary > Legionary
Neapolis: Legionary > Legionary
Pisae: Galley > Galley
Dye Town: Galley > Galley
Arta: Settler > Galley
Cyrene: Galley > Galley
Aurelia: Galley > Galley
Lacus: Settler > Settler
Dactylus: Settler > Galley
Planum: Settler > Galley
Retrium: Settler > Settler

4/6 galleys sink.

5) 1150AD
I now discover that apparently rally points were set. Please don't do that in an SG, especially not without saying so.

10 gpt gets us a new alliance against the Mongols and 79g from the Hittites.

IT
New Kazan: Legionary > Legionary
New Shores: Galley > Galley
Pompeii: Galley > Galley
Nicopolis: Galley > Galley
Forward: Galley > Galley
Byzantium: Legionary > Legionary
Nicomedia: Galley > Galley
Gordion: Galley > Galley

3/7 galleys sink.

6) 1160AD
Found New Ulaan, start walls.

Cats do very well at Ta-Tu, redlining all defenders. eLegionary and vLegionary win, loose 1 eLegionary. Army kills the last defender, and:

Found New Ta-tu, start walls.

IT
We win a battle against a Mongol galley.

Rome: Legionary > Legionary
Caesaraugusta: Galley > Galley
Veii: Legionary > Legionary
Augustodurum: Galley > Galley
Antium: Legionary > Legionary
Viroconium: Spearman > Spearman
Scutum: Catapult > Catapult
Dye Town: Galley > Galley
Ravenna: Legionary > Legionary
Lutetia: Temple > Marketplace
Syracuse: Galley > Galley
Londinium: Galley > Galley
Corfinium: Galley > Galley
Popsillis: Spearman > Galley
Ulaanbeater: Galley > Galley

Ottomans complete Sistines in Izmit.

3/7 galleys sink.

7) 1170AD
Found Frumentum, start walls.

IT
Lugdunum: Settler > Settler
New Kazan: Legionary > Legionary
New Shores: Galley > Galley
Cumae: Legionary > Legionary
Insula: Galley > Galley
Neapolis: Legionary > Legionary
Forward: Galley > Galley
Nicomedia: Galley > Galley
Seleucia: Galley > Galley

3/5 galleys sink.

8) 1180AD
Found Eurus, start galley.

IT
Ligamentum: Galley > Galley
Rome: Legionary > Legionary
Veii: Legionary > Legionary
Pompeii: Galley > Galley
Hispalis: Galley > Galley
Byzantium: Legionary > Legionary
Syracuse: Galley > Galley
Jerusalem: Legionary > Legionary
Tarentum: Galley > Settler
Londinium: Galley > Galley
Romecicle: Spearman > Galley

4/10 galleys sink.

9) 1190AD
Redline and kill 2 muskets with eLegionaries, and:

Found Zephyrus, start galley.

IT
An eLB kills our vLegionary on a mountain. The Hittites boot our army, the Byzantines ask us to leave.

Brundisium: Legionary > Legionary
Teveri: Galley > Galley
Antium: Legionary > Legionary
Viroconium: Spearman > Catapult
Musculus: Settler > Galley
New Kazan: Legionary > Legionary
New Shores: Galley > Galley
Ravenna: Legionary > Legionary
Forward: Galley > Galley
Arta: Galley > Galley
Londinium: Galley > Galley
Gordion: Galley > Galley

9/9 galleys sink.

10) 1200AD
Found Pisces and Auster, start galleys. Found Turibulum, start walls. Kill the eLB.

Yellowline 3 muskets in Hovd, but not enough to attack probably.

We end up with 68 cats, 36 galleys, and 111 legionaries.
Galley sinkage was about 60% over my 10 ITs.
I tried to remove rally points, but there may still be left. Not sure how to throw them all away.

The front:

 

[Mumpulus]

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I'd declare on the Byzantines and Hittites next, pulling in Otto against the Hittites. Play defense with the Hittites while quickly going at the few Byzantine towns we can reach. The northern army can go straight for the Hittite core though. We should also remember the Byzantine island in the southern ocean. Not sure how we'll manage against their dromons...

 

[ThERat]

nice progress.agree with the future moves.

I can't seem to find a save though

 

[Mumpulus]

Yes, I forgot the save. Attached...

 

[ThERat]

Preturn
things look good

IT we lose 3/7 galleys

1.1210AD
bombard Hovd, attack and almost lose our healthy legion army, defeat a total of 4 units there and the city is gone

as we still have an alliance with Hittites, it is not nice to break that. Byz will be our next victim then

IT lose 4/6 galleys

2.1220AD
Mongols have only 1 city left, time to attack Byz, declare war
rope in Ottomans, I find out that they have only horses and iron
move towards Byz land, found a city, defeat a settler pair

IT lose a legion flat against a horse, lose 4/6 galleys
worst of all, Ottoman finish KT

3. 1230AD
lose a legion, defeat 3 units and raze Varna, found a replacement city
defeat another settler pair

IT this game will be remembered for the frustrating ship chains, 4/5 galleys sink

4. 1240AD
raze Caesarea and found the same city (???)
with ship chaining as catastrophic as this, decide to cash rush only stuff on the second continent

IT Hittites destroy the Mongols, now we can attack them as well
only 1/5 galleys sink

5. 1250AD
declare war on Hittites and pull Ottoman in
found a city and defeat Hittite settler pair
star to attack Byz capital with army

IT Hittites lose a knight against a legion
4/6 galleys sink

6. 1255AD
found a city, take out Constantinople and another settler pair
take out Hittite knight

IT the Hittite counters are luckily pretty lame, we go 2:1 taking ou a knight and sword losing a legion
the usual 3/6 galleys sink

7.1260AD
found a new city, take out Darhan and gain a MGL

IT a few knights show up on the horizon
3/5 galleys sink

8. 1265AD
found a city on Hittite horses, bu hat is not their only source
march towards Tarsus, new army raze Karhuyuk

IT Hittites lose a knight, 3/6 galleys sink

9. 1270AD
bombard Tarsus, 4 muskets inside
lose 1 legion, but take out the city including Leo's, found Winipolis on top of the ruins

IT the new city seems to be a magnet for the Hittites, good
2/6 galleys sink

10. 1275AD
march on, 2 stacks next to 2 Hittite cities
play aggressive, take out 2 knights at Winipolis

 

[ThERat]

I think we should make a few decisions now.

1. We could stop production in the far away corrupt cities on our initial continent and set them on wealth. Use all th money we gain o cash rush units on the second continent. I have been doing that, you can rush a few legions and the occasional settler there.

2. Do we go for domination or conquest? If we go for domination, we have 47% of the land and could rush quite a few temples to gain tiles, found more cities and we should have no issue to get to 66%.
Conquest, no doubt, will take longer but provide more fun

 

[Mumpulus]

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Re Rat's questions: I vote "yes" on Q1, and "conquest" on Q2 (but I'm fine with domination too of course ).

 

[Sasquatch]

Sorry bout the Rally Point. Even I was wondering why my Cats and Setters were going the long way around...

Yes on Question "1" and by the time we get 66% area and pop we're gonna have so many military units we may as well just wipe em all out. Heck, we're only an Ancient Era Civ, we're too dumb to know when to stop.

 

[TheOverseer714]

Since we raze everything anyway, let's aim for Conquest, but if we hit a "natural" Domination, we'll take it. By natural, I mean not through culture, but by settling the land we capture. If we build that many towns, we deserve to win. Changing the corrupt areas to wealth makes sense, as rushing on the other continent is more cost-effective than the ship chaining. We will continue ship-chaining too, but it will be less important than it has been. Downloaded the save, will play tomorrow.

 

[TheOverseer714]

Finished my turn set last night, finally. I didn't have time to post the save and turn-log then, so I will now. All went pretty well, my sinking rate wasn't bad early, but got worse later. Did well with attacks on Hittite cities, they are nearly finished. The next player gets to start on the Ottomans, as it is about time to crash their party. Here is the turn-log:

Spoiler :

Pre-Flight: CivAssist 2, Word running. Open the save, look things over. Assess military, position of units. 10 LB’s and no elites handy, sigh. This thing’s getting so huge, I’m going to try to pare the turn-log to essentials.

Civilian units:
Settlers 16
Workers 2
Slaves 121

Military units:
Spearmen 8
Catapults 77
Galleys 33
Armies 5, 2 with 3 Legionary, 3 with 4 Legionary.
Legionaries 151
Press enter=>

IBT: No one dies, LB redlines 1 legionary.
7 Legionaries built
10 Galleys built
1 of 6 galleys at risk sink.

Turn1, 1280 AD: Red-line 2 rMuskets at Hattusha, lose 1 Legionary, Hattusha razed, 2 slaves taken. Kill 3 Muskets at Ugarit, only LB’s left to defend.
Found Horses North.

IBT: Many Hittite LB’s turn towards Hattusas. No attacks.
1 Settler built
5 Legionaries built
1 of 8 galleys at risk sink.

Turn 2, 1285 AD: Red-line 2 vLB’s at Ugarit, raze nets 5 slaves.

IBT: Lose 3 Legionaries to LB’s and a Knight.
1 settler built
1 catapult built
6 Legionaries built
5 Galleys built
6 of 10 galleys at risk sink.

Turn 3, 1290 AD: 20 catapults land 4 hits at Tyrana, lose 1 Legionary, raze nets 3 slaves.
Kill 4 surviving LB’s and knight.

IBT: 1 LB suicides on a Legionary.
7 Legionaries built
2 Galleys built
5 of 8 galleys at risk sink.

Turn 4, 1295 AD: Heal armies, move well-guarded cat stacks north.
Welcome to the Jungle founded.

IBT: No attacks. Byzantines want to negotiate. No!
1 settler built
1 catapult built
3 Legionaries built
4 Galleys built
5 of 8 galleys at risk sink.

Turn 5, 1300 AD: Desertopolis, Banana Republic founded.

IBT: LB’s kill 1 legionary. Ottomans make peace with Byzantines.
Rome builds Harbor.
Random cities keep rioting, it’s kind of weird, like the governor is messing with tile assignments.
1 catapult built
6 Legionaries built
1 Galleys built
5 of 7 galleys at risk sink.

Turn 6, 1305 AD: Catapults don’t hit enough to go for Hattusas this turn, more cats and 2 armies in position for next turn.

IBT: No attacks.
1 catapult built
3 Legionaries built
5 Galleys built
3 of 5 galleys at risk sink.

Turn 7, 1310 AD: Finally an MGL! Last attack at Hattusas nets one, Hattusas razed, nets 7 slaves(2 mongol). Titus becomes 6th Legion.
3 Towns founded.

IBT: No attacks.
1 catapult built
10 Legionaries built
5 Galleys built
5 of 5 galleys at risk sink.


Turn 8, 1315 AD: Armies moving or resting. 1 town founded.

IBT: Hittites land an MDI near, 1 knight appears.
2 catapults built
3 Legionaries built
4 Galleys built
No galleys at risk this turn.

Turn 9,1320 AD: Mandalgovi razed, 3 slaves taken.

IBT:2 catapults built
2 Legionaries built
1 Galley built
4 of 7 galleys at risk sink.

Turn 10, 1325 AD: Haman razed, 3 slaves taken.

Civilian units:
Settlers 10
Workers 2
Slaves 146

Military units:
Spearmen 8
Catapults 86
Galleys 36
Armies 6, 2 with 3 Legionaries(home front), 4 with 4 Legionaries(war zone).
Legionaries 192

I sent some troops toward the Byzantine capital, and have started massing to go after the Ottomans, as the groups in Hittite territory will be adequate to finish them off. We have some islands that will need taken, but I'll leave that to the next players.

Here are a couple of pictures:

Spoiler :

A picture of Hittite territory, showing the situation up there

A picture of our grand empire(minimap)

The save:

 

[Mumpulus]

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Almost done

 

[Mumpulus]

Sasquatch, can you take this?