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Last minute plea to devs before April patch

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Gargysha, Apr 19, 2021.

  1. Gargysha

    Gargysha Chieftain

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    Please, check out the recent threads that deal with the change to city combat strength and walls, siege units and increasing the 1UPT to 2 or 3UPT, and apply some of the proposed changes to this April patch, so we can finally have some interesting combat. Bring back AI's capability to threaten us in the war, it's a major detraction from the game for so many people I know that would play and buy it.
    Thank you in advance!
     
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  2. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    The patch is coming out Thursday. There is absolutely zero chance they are adding any requested line-items at this point.

    And any changes to the UPT is basically a no-go. 1UPT is a vaunted and advertised feature of this iteration of Civ. Maybe try again in Civ VII.
     
  3. Stringer1313

    Stringer1313 Emperor

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    Bless your heart
     
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  4. PrairieDad

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    How about...FIX the blessed launcher...I can hardly play 45 minutes without the game "waiting"...forever!
     
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  5. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy King of England & Unofficial Welcoming Committee

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    There is a way to move around the launcher. Try @Aristos' method.
     
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  6. Taefin

    Taefin Chieftain

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    There are mods for most of the suggested changes, check out ARS improved movement for 3 UPT (melee+ranged/siege+cav), radiant stronger cities let’s you adjust all city combat and wall stats, though it’s a little tricky. And change pseudoyield_city_base in game files from 400 to 1500 and they will attack you often enough.

    If the AI chooses to attack, and if they can capture cities in a few hits (I give them +25 CS and halve wall HP), they’ll usually gang up on the game’s weaker players. Slow the game down with a pacing mod and it gets pretty dangerous to invest in districts early on.

    Now if dramatic ages didn’t erase UI... It can already be modded into something pretty fun and abusive to the player that helps dominant AI snowball. But removing UI every time a city flips just interferes too much with too many civs, especially China, Inca, Indonesia who can invest so heavily in them. I haven’t seen if anyone has found a way to give the free cities player access to all UI, and if that would resolve the issue, assuming cities were flipped/taken back. An old mod, “Conquer UI” or something sounded promising, but folks have reported dramatic ages still removes them.
     
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  7. jasper

    jasper Warlord

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    Please dont.

    We dont need impactful changes like units per tile changed this late in the games life. Like it or not everything else is balanced on 1upt.

    Walls are fine. Walls should be formidable to same era units. People just cant steamroll neighbors now so walls are too power.
     
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  8. The googles do nothing

    The googles do nothing King

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    Try setting up a Multiplayer game with all the other civs Deity level AI on a team.

    My last minute plea is make the Berserker at least 45 strength like the Man-at-arms, or 48 like the Samurai like it should be.
     
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  9. Pietato

    Pietato Platonic Perfection

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    Siege does need a rework, and perhaps they could stack with other units. But asking now is pointless, because any change takes MONTHS for firaxis. They also have absolutely zero ability to hotfix anything, which is ridiculous.
     
  10. Kupe Navigator

    Kupe Navigator Emperor

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    don't waste your breath. chances of this happening is 0%. There is more chance of me becoming overlord of the world than this happening in April patch.
     
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    "Hey guys I know there's like 3 days until the patch drops but if you could just completely reinvent the game's combat between now and then that'd be great. Thanks!"
     
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  13. kaspergm

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    I can't read from your post if you're aware or not, or if you are thinking of something else, but there is a mod that makes it so that unique improvements are not removed when you capture a city (and when it flips).
     
  14. Linklite

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    To be fair, it's possible that they will be doing further content, so it's not completely pointless, although I think it's more likely to happen in VII than VI, if it's even going to be implemented at all. Still, even for the best developers in the world, less than a week's notice to make any changes, let alone a massive rework of a major system? If that were possible, let alone likely, I think most games would be significantly better than they are.
     
  15. Gargysha

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    Well, the idea behind my post is that they probably tinkered with those changes but are reluctant to put them in practice. The main reason for that is probably of marketing/financial nature - they're storing those changes for CIV 7 - but I still have a glimmer of hope for this profit-driven society in general, and game developers specifically, to outgrow themselves. In a way, I'm hoping to encourage them to dare and do that, to bring us that change against all odds and see what happens. I bet it would be good for everyone.
    I'm probably too naive, though :)
     
  16. Pietato

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    I believe civ 7 should have 2 units allowed per land tile: one melee/cav/ranged/anti-cav unit; and one siege/support/scout unit. This would let the AI handle siege units better.

    Otherwise they could add siege into the counter system, make it vulnerable to melee, resistant to range, and counter walls and ani-cav. Then anti-cav could be buffed.
     
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    thanks, I deleted and reinstalled game, runs ok with no mods, now adding back slowly. maybe something got corrupted? Will try moving the whole shebang from Program Files as The Wise Man suggests.
     
  18. UWHabs

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    Yeah, I think a system like that would mesh better. It's weird how battering rams and siege towers count one way, but catapults and trebuchets work by an entirely different mechanism.
     
  19. Graethyenne

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    I suspect it comes down to Artillery having an attack of it's own, and Battering Ram/Siege towers modifying the attacks of other units. That said since there is a religious unit layer (and those units have combat strength/make and receive attacks) I don't see why there couldn't be a siege layer. Could even have them flip allegiance rather than be destroyed if caught without a defending military unit. Hmmmm
     
  20. Deggial

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    This is, how I thought those units would work, when I read those game articles about Civ6 before the game launched.
    I would have liked this.
     

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