Leaderhead art requirements

[Leoreth]

This thread is somewhat of an intersection with the other art related thread, but not quite.

When it comes to leaderheads in this mod, they come in three types based on why they are included:

• They come with the base game. Most basegame leaders are included, and only some have been replaced by superior/more accurate community leaderhead art.
• The leader is included because there is high quality art out there. Sometimes there is community leaderhead art available for a leader and that is the main reason why that particular leader has been chosen to be included.
• The leader is included because that is the most important historical leader for the civilisation, and there is suitable leaderhead art (either intended for this historical leader, or adapted to represent them) to be used for that leader.

I want to talk about the third category in two ways, and ask the following questions:

1. Which of the current leaders only have makeshift art, that could be improved by higher quality and more accurate art?

2. Which further leaders should be most urgently added to the mod, if only we had suitable leaderhead art available?

 

[Publicola]

Is there a comprehensive list anywhere, of which leaders are currently in use in the game? That seems like it'd be an enormous help to this discussion.

 

[MalayanGamer]

Besides Indian leaders like Shivaji Bhonsale , Tippu Sultanand Rajendra Chola i think Hongwu is the one that needs a much accurate art since the current one look more like a Song dynasty emperor.

Here's a mockup that i made of what New LH Art would have look like:

This is mock-up of Songtsan Gampo lh made by il marchese. I think we use that and modify it into the Emperor Hongwu.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/lh-songtsän-gampo-of-tibet.22122/

 

[Leoreth]

Is there a comprehensive list anywhere, of which leaders are currently in use in the game? That seems like it'd be an enormous help to this discussion.

You could use Steb's sheet for leader favourite civics for that purpose.

 

[Crimean Lord]

This thread is somewhat of an intersection with the other art related thread, but not quite.
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When it comes to leaderheads in this mod, they come in three types based on why they are included:

• They come with the base game. Most basegame leaders are included, and only some have been replaced by superior/more accurate community leaderhead art.
• The leader is included because there is high quality art out there. Sometimes there is community leaderhead art available for a leader and that is the main reason why that particular leader has been chosen to be included.
• The leader is included because that is the most important historical leader for the civilisation, and there is suitable leaderhead art (either intended for this historical leader, or adapted to represent them) to be used for that leader.

I want to talk about the third category in two ways, and ask the following questions:

1. Which of the current leaders only have makeshift art, that could be improved by higher quality and more accurate art?

2. Which further leaders should be most urgently added to the mod, if only we had suitable leaderhead art available?

I am supporter of late leaders
As I understand: We need to incorporate leaders which change previous line of ruling or al laest try to reform their countries

UNITED STATES

R.Reagan
Symbol of US succes in the Cold War + patron of famous pro-market economic agenda;
B.Obama
Greatest сritic of US hegemony in American establishment + main author of so called Obama-Care (the most socialistic reform since Roosevelt's era);

CHINA

Deng Xiaoping
Leader which re-open China after lonf ruling of Mao + symbol of chinese rapid growth;

RUSSIA

B.Yel'tsyn
The same as Deng Xiaoping "father-the-founder" of market reform + foe of old communistic establishment

 

[Leoreth]

Ronald Reagan will never make it into this mod as long as I am in charge of it.

 

[Crimean Lord]

Ronald Reagan will never make it into this mod as long as I am in charge of it.

Well.. I'am not the greatest fan of Reagan too
On the same time... I think we need one American Leader which symbolize American Military Expansion: Nixxon or Bush etc

+ I think Leonid Breznev with favorite civ "Isolationism" is accurate idea which represent late USSR even better than Planned Economy (+ Breznev and his prime-minister Alexey Kosygin try to reform it in 1960 but in the same time they save Iron Curtain)

 

[Zaddy]

Ronald Reagan will never make it into this mod as long as I am in charge of it.

Literal lol.

A man after my own heart.

In all seriousness, as an American I think it's fine to keep it as FDR. Both Reagan and Obama have controversial presidencies, whatever you may think of the actual controversy. FDR is a good combination of "important" and also who's legacy and impact is not that contentious. FDR is not that far removed from the modern US either, so I think it works well enough.

 

[Tab911]

Given that the game ends in 2020, FDR is recent enough that there is no need to add another US president.
If the game does expand far into the future in future editions, I think the best pick is Richard Nixon.
Corrupt and paranoid as he was, he was responsible for some landmark policies that both shaped the cold war and also went on to shape the future of the country.
Nixon basically played the presidency as if he was playing a civ game. Iconic and representative of an era spanning from 1950 to 2016, I think he is an excellent choice to commission art for if we expand the future era (think of Nixon's role in futurama as well).

 

[Krieger-FS]

For question 2, I’d give some priority to those civs whose gameplay spawn for several eras but have only one leader. Considering this minimum requirement, I'd say that Colombia, Congo, Mali and Polynesia (though this last case is less of an issue giving that is an exclusively-player civ) all need new leaders somewhat urgently; Aztecs, Maya and Khmer also only have one leader each, but their gameplay is argably limited for a single era.

Of these first three, I think that the Colombian case is more problematic, because I don’t recall ever seeing any other LH besides Bolívar. For Mali and Congo we can easily find some excellent LHs in History Rewritten. In the first case, considering how the civ is going to be changed to Ghana+Mali (aka Mandé) civ, I’d add an earlier leader representing a Ghana emperor (the other leaders seem more adequate for future new African civs in my opinion). In the latter case, I like the idea of adding Ana Nzinga, even considering that she ruled not so much long after Mbemba/Afonso, since we have few female leaders in general. Other versions of her are available here and here.

 

[HighFunctioningAlcoholic]

Just have Simon Bolivar aged differently for all the South American civs.

 

[trevor]

Given that the game ends in 2020, FDR is recent enough that there is no need to add another US president.
If the game does expand far into the future in future editions, I think the best pick is Richard Nixon.
Corrupt and paranoid as he was, he was responsible for some landmark policies that both shaped the cold war and also went on to shape the future of the country.
Nixon basically played the presidency as if he was playing a civ game. Iconic and representative of an era spanning from 1950 to 2016, I think he is an excellent choice to commission art for if we expand the future era (think of Nixon's role in futurama as well).

I mean, he was a corrupt & paranoid wacko but I think I'd shell out a couple bucks to see a Futurama-style Nixon leaderhead.

 

[Genghis Khaiser]

I think it's pretty awkward for civs to only have dictators representing 20th to 21st century leaders (Hitler, Stalin, and Franco, for example).

We should check which civs need 20th century leaderheads. For example, Germany could use Helmut Kohl or Konrad Adenauer. Bismarck was great but his LH only suits the 19th century (Leoreth knows this better than I do). As for Russia we need Gorbachev or Yeltsin, while Spain could use a president from either the second Republic or the current democracy, like Azaña or Suárez.

The following countries need a LH representing the most recent two centuries:

• Colombia.
• Germany.
• India.
• Japan.
• Khmer.
• Korea (could use both one of the Kims and an SK president).
• Mongolia.
• Netherlands.
• Peru.
• Portugal.
• Russia (see above).
• Thailand.
• Turkestan/Uzbekistan.

I'd have put Italy but Cavour's LH looks fitting enough.

 

[Steb]

The Arabs absolutely need a more recent leader than Saladin. Ibn Saud has been mentioned in other threads, but is the art of sufficient quality?

 

[ShinobiHus92]

I just found an old thread from 2011 that contains a database of different types of leaderheads
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/new-leaderhead-database.431290/

These really stood out for me:

Rome:
Marcus Aurelius
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/lh-marcus-aurelius.8901/

Spoiler Picture Marcus Aurelius :

Not from the database but was made from the same person
Constantine The Great (he could be a great late Roman or early Byzantine leaderhead! Especially by making Christianity his favorite religion)
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/lh-constantine-the-great.8812/

Spoiler Picture Constantine :

Korea:
Kim Jong Ill (best suited for the modern era)
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/kim-jong-ill.7840/

Spoiler Picture Kim Jong :

Khmer:
Polpot (for modern era Khmer?)
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/lh-polpot.9420/

Spoiler Picture PolPot :

Germany:
Konrad Adenauer (best suited for modern era Germany?)
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/lh-konrad-adenauer.9240/

Spoiler Picture Konrad Adenauer :

Adolf Hitler (to be honest a better version my personal taste)
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/hitler.10365/

Spoiler Picture Hitler :

Arabia: (Steb's request)
Ibn Saud (for modern Arabia)
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/bts-petromod.9648/

Spoiler Picture Ibn Saud :

The Turks/Uzbeks:
Shaybani Khan (great for the renaissance era)
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/lh-shaybani-khan.12893/

Spoiler Picture Shaybani Khan :

Japan
Emperor Hirohito (For modern Japan)
https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/emperor-hirohito-warlords-2-08.4097/

Spoiler Picture Hirohito (didn't find any picture only on the internet) :

Any thought guys?

 

[Genghis Khaiser]

Most of them except for Marcus and Hirohito need better graphics but they're cool. Constantine's are good but he needs a bigger chin.

Kim Jong Il and Pol Pot fit dictatorial or communist Korea and Khmer. Saud and Adenauer are good for representing their modern countries, Shaybani's great for post-Timurid Central Asia, still leaving the need for an iconic CA leaderheads (even though most of them are post-Soviet dictators, one wackier than the other) while Hirohito is more or less. Either he or Hideki Tojo definitely represent the 20th century until the end of WW2, but we still need an LH for post-war Japan. I don't know what role Hirohito played in politics (I believe historians disagree on that) but the 1947 constitution made him just a figurehead.

 

[Edmund Ironside]

I don't think I will describe either as 'urgently needing to be added', but it would be cool to have JFK for America (representing modern USA - an iconic leader, important in the space race) and Constantine as mentioned above (representing late Rome - important in the rise of Christianity).

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

As for Russia we need Gorbachev or Yeltsin

No we don't. Even *gag* Putin would be preferable, and I'm usually against including Leaders who are still alive.

 

[Leoreth]

I agree, but I also sympathise with the problem that we only have monarchs and Stalin as option. Maybe we should include a Provisional Government leader instead, like Kerensky?

 

[MalayanGamer]

I agree, but I also sympathise with the problem that we only have monarchs and Stalin as option. Maybe we should include a Provisional Government leader instead, like Kerensky?

That's a great idea, but we need a leader art for Kerensky.