Lenin: Hero of Communism

[Lord Malbeth]

I'd have to concur with noncon -- the only difference between Lenin and Stalin is that they both managed to screw Russia over in different ways.

That's a good one.

My methods are diffrent and I realize the way to keep power is through friendship with the people... trust... equality...

Therein lies the problem. The equality is impossible to distribute, and distribution of wealth, don't even start with that. Communism only works in really, really small communities (Like Native Americans) or with God (Acts 2:44-47 )

Communism just doesn't work...

(But it sounded like a good idea )

 

[Nuka-sama]

How about no Bolvashiksawhatevers?

 

[Reno]

How about no Bolvashiksawhatevers?

The Mesheviks wouldn't really have been that much of an alternative.

Lenin was a man who said one thing and did the other, he really isn't worth being called a hero. His rule caused numerous deaths and made life in Tsarist Russia look like a much better one. One of the things which I found funny about Lenin however was that he first recognized the independence of Finland from Russia, and at the same time promoted for a communist revolution in Finland, which eventually turned into a civil war in February 1918. However his recognition of Finnish independence made countries like Sweden and Germany recognize Finland aswell.

 

[Plotinus]

Communism only works in really, really small communities (Like Native Americans) or with God (Acts 2:44-47 )

Communism just doesn't work...

(But it sounded like a good idea )

It worked pretty well in the Thirty Missions, in Paraguay.

 

[Lord Malbeth]

It worked pretty well in the Thirty Missions, in Paraguay.

True, but how long did it last?

 

[Plotinus]

A century and a half, before being destroyed by entirely external factors, namely the Portuguese.

 

[luiz]

It worked pretty well in the Thirty Missions, in Paraguay.

The Missions were both a small community and a religion-based one. And they also traded with the rest of Brazil frequently (they were located in the Triple Border Region).

Collectivism worked there as it works in any primitive society, specially if there is a profound religious sentiment in it.

They would have ended anyways, though that is no excuse for that bastard Pombal to order mass killings. May he rot in hell (if there was a hell).

 

[Plotinus]

They were small, though not tiny - several thousand people in each one, and there were thirty of them. Certainly they were religion-based though I'm not sure what difference that makes. I wouldn't call them primitive, though. On the contrary, they had excellent education - supposedly being the first society in history to achieve 100% literacy - and their musicians, who performed on both local and European instruments, were renowned throughout South America.

No doubt they would have ended, as all societies eventually do; but I don't see that they were particularly prone to that.

 

[luiz]

They were small, though not tiny - several thousand people in each one, and there were thirty of them. Certainly they were religion-based though I'm not sure what difference that makes. I wouldn't call them primitive, though. On the contrary, they had excellent education - supposedly being the first society in history to achieve 100% literacy - and their musicians, who performed on both local and European instruments, were renowned throughout South America.

No doubt they would have ended, as all societies eventually do; but I don't see that they were particularly prone to that.

I meant primitive in the sense of pre-industrial, and they certainly had less technology than their counterparts in the big cities.

As for the role of religion, that was what made them stick together and accept a life dedicated to a cause, much to the expense of life's small pleasures and generall ammenities. The Missions were like an expanded version of a Monastery, only strongly religious people can endure such a life. The Guaranis were a very mysticall people, it's no wonder they became such devout christians.

It was also their strong faith that made them fight against impossible odds, and that destroyed them as a distiguinshible people (there are still Guranis today, but they were reduced to beggars and it's in fact very sad to drive through their lands).