I've noticed that many people distinguish between Lenin and the later Soviet tradition, believing that the ideas of the former differed radically from the latter in terms of the degree of freedom allowed. What's your take on this issue?
Lenin
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Fox Mccloud
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I respect Lenin for his skills as A revolutionary leader, and impact on history, while disagreeing on his ideologies.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
Lenin was bald, therefore he was cool. You cannot argueth with that.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
While Lenin does have some dark marks on his record, his status as a great political leader is unqestionable.
greekguy
Missed the Boat
A notch or 2 below Stalin on the evil-o-meter.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Cooler mustache then Hitler, but not as cool as Stalin's.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
Atropos said:
He had some interesting and promising political/socialist/communist ideals, and wanted to modernize the Soviet Union by improving the standard of living for all of the citizens. He was against Anti-semitism, he also was against involvement in World War I. I believe those are positive points for him.
Edited to fix a bad typo.
Bluemofia
F=ma
He was a good leader in the sense that he managed to defy the odds and beat everyone else who was viving for power.
And how he can easily manipulate the public into serving his goals.
And how he can easily manipulate the public into serving his goals.
History_Buff
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Amazing politician, clearly one of the best leaders the world has ever seen. Problem is his goals were rather totalitarian.
Swiss Bezerker
Emperor
He had a Mustache like Jack Leigton, so he has to be cool.
Xanikk999
History junkie
I cant vote because it doesnt have my options.
I dont beileve that any of the communists interests were with the average people in russia. As you can obviously see throughout the history of the soviet union. However i dont think he was much better then later communists or better then the tsars.
If anything he was just as corrupt as the tsars were before the revolution.
Communism just wont ever work. Not the way karl marx envisioned it.
I dont beileve that any of the communists interests were with the average people in russia. As you can obviously see throughout the history of the soviet union. However i dont think he was much better then later communists or better then the tsars.
If anything he was just as corrupt as the tsars were before the revolution.
Communism just wont ever work. Not the way karl marx envisioned it.
VoodooAce
Emperor
I don't like Lenin. The anti-Washington. He believed that the masses weren't capable self government or worthy of many rights that I would refuse to live without.
The fact that you remove from power one despotic form of government doesn't make you great if you simply replace it with another despotic government. He had an opportunity to truly change the world for the good but he chose other options.
While he probably wasn't 'evil' like Stalin, he still wasn't my idea of a 'good' guy. You can thank Lenin for Stalin.
The fact that you remove from power one despotic form of government doesn't make you great if you simply replace it with another despotic government. He had an opportunity to truly change the world for the good but he chose other options.
While he probably wasn't 'evil' like Stalin, he still wasn't my idea of a 'good' guy. You can thank Lenin for Stalin.
Xanikk999
History junkie
tomsnowman123 said:
You think being an anti semite is a positive point?
Please tell me you didnt mean that.
tomsnowman123
Simple Liver
Xanikk999 said:You think being an anti semite is a positive point?
Please tell me you didnt mean that.
Whoops, that should say he worked against it. I will fix that immediately. Thank you for catching that.
Xanikk999
History junkie
tomsnowman123 said:
Thats ok. I know it wouldnt make sense since your a pacifist.
amadeus
Bishop of Bio-Dome
Where is the option for "Lenin was worse than the Tsar?"
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Where is the option for "Lenin is just a crasy commie nutjob"?
Lenin was no doubt a very intelligent and capable man. His ablity to adapt to quickly changing situations was remarkable.
That said, there is nothing particularly "good" about Lenin. He was not a "friend of the masses", he rather despised them and considered them unfit to rule themselves. He was a despot, and a not particularly enlightened one at that. Better than Stalin? Sure. But than again with the exception of Pol Pot and perhaps Hitler and Mao, who isn't?
That said, there is nothing particularly "good" about Lenin. He was not a "friend of the masses", he rather despised them and considered them unfit to rule themselves. He was a despot, and a not particularly enlightened one at that. Better than Stalin? Sure. But than again with the exception of Pol Pot and perhaps Hitler and Mao, who isn't?
