After trying out EU3 and expansions, I'd have to say that it was ridiculously poor. Doesn't even feel like a game, basically just sat their waiting years for the techs and cash to roll in whilst trying to figure out a way to wage war without other nations helping them out. Can't see much depth in it either, civ4 definatley has more to offer. Agreed the graphics are poor, but I could have seen past that if it was actually a good game. imo civ 5 in it's current state is more playable than eu3.