Lets discuss: Homophobia

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Isn't the bigger problem facing the US from a Christian Moral Viewpoint the greed driven economy? Isn't that more inherent in US culture than Homosexuality?
Not really, because the Christian Moral faction is also the one pushing for more greed driven policies for the most part.
 
Yeah, well I did say "Christian Moral Viewpoint", not the Christian Moral faction who wouldn't recognize the Christian Moral Viewpoint if it painted itself pink, danced naked on top of a harpsichord singing "those Christian Moral Viewpoints are here again".

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I dunno! We could compare it to disliking certain other behaviors with likely genetic and physiological predispositions (Or people with that predisposition or who act in that way). That's pretty broad, though, and could probably range from having a sweet tooth to pedophilia. (In other words, such a broad range of possible actions and desired behaviors that the comparison is pretty useless.) Who says there has to be a good analogy, though? Analogies work pretty much for illustrating points, rather than proving them. There may not be a particularly good analogy to find -- or at least, one that we can all agree on.

How about left-handed people?

"Left handed people should be able to marry eachother"

Seems like a worthy candidate for an analogy considering left-handedness was as frowned upon as gayness is these days (in some parts)
 
How about left-handed people?

"Left handed people should be able to marry eachother"

Seems like a worthy candidate for an analogy considering left-handedness was as frowned upon as gayness is these days (in some parts)
Well, I think it's better than race, as long as we stipulate that we're talking about left-handed people who actively use their left hands predominately.

I still don't think it's quite fair, though. Which hand you use to eat your chicken is trivial in comparison to what gender or sex you are, in terms of identity. And the more fundamental something is, the more sense it makes for it to make a difference in moral behavior. (Which is why we view religious affiliation as more serious, and more worthy of protection, than sports affiliation; language as more important than keyboard setup; and so on.) Doesn't necessarily mean it does actually make a moral difference in any particular, but it seems like it could more easily -- which makes comparisons somewhat problematic.

And I'm not sure why we need to find a good analogy, anyway.
 
I still don't think it's quite fair, though. Which hand you use to eat your chicken is trivial in comparison to what gender or sex you are, in terms of identity. And the more fundamental something is, the more sense it makes for it to make a difference in moral behavior. (Which is why we view religious affiliation as more serious, and more worthy of protection, than sports affiliation; language as more important than keyboard setup; and so on.) Doesn't necessarily mean it does actually make a moral difference in any particular, but it seems like it could more easily -- which makes comparisons somewhat problematic.

I hate to be annoying but why do you insist on equating sexuality with gender and sex?
 
I hate to be annoying but why do you insist on equating sexuality with gender and sex?
I'm not equating them, I'm saying they're related, and pretty much essential. After all, no one is saying "any homosexual who has sex is acting wrongly." What I am others am saying is that two people, of the same biological sex (Or gender), who have sex are acting sinfully. Homosexual orientation provides the most common desire and logical motive -- few people have gay sex if they're not gay, aside from certain porn actors -- but it's not the actual issue. It's wrong if they're straight, and it's wrong if they're gay. So the fundamental issue is persons of the same sex having sex with each other, which is not the same thing as having a homosexual orientation. (Homosexual basically means same sex, after all, not same orientation.) I'm not equating them at all. And no, you're not being annoying, it was a fair question. :)
 
How about left-handed people?

"Left handed people should be able to marry eachother"

Seems like a worthy candidate for an analogy considering left-handedness was as frowned upon as gayness is these days (in some parts)

That's still not a very good reason because left handed people don't have sex differently than right handed people.
 
That's still not a very good reason because left handed people don't have sex differently than right handed people.
Yeah they do. They use their left hand more.
 
So, basically - Christians believe gay sex is sinning, according to their holy book which they believe their god dictated.

Fair enough. Does that make them homophobic?
 
So, basically - Christians believe gay sex is sinning, according to their holy book which they believe their god dictated.

Fair enough. Does that make them homophobic?

Do you think Jesus was homophobic? If not, then no. One doesnt have to have a unreasonable fear of something to have opinion on it. Or even a desire or empathy to help someone you believe trapped in sin.

I've said this before. Christians arent homophobic...they are sin-o-phobic.
 
Of course there are homophobic Christians, but I don't think being Christian automatically makes you hate the queers, like you said.

IMO, the problem arises when those Christians decide their beliefs should apply to everyone else - and thus try to "help" gay people avoid being "trapped in sin," rather than just leaving well enough alone. But I think most reasonable Christians realize that someone else's sexuality is a personal matter and not subject to their own religious beliefs, but those Christians may still "oppose" homosexuality on religious grounds. I'd argue that still doesn't make them homophobic.

To me, being homophobic means you're hateful toward the queers. If you believe homosexuality is a sin, that's fine - don't be homosexual, then. As long as you aren't hateful, you're not homophobic in my book. But if you treat the queers as sub-human or believe they are not entitled to the same rights that you are, then yes, you may indeed be homophobic.
 
So, basically - Christians believe gay sex is sinning, according to their holy book which they believe their god dictated.

Fair enough. Does that make them homophobic?

I think that the embracing of that aspect of the Scripture is based off of homophobic instincts. There're lots of Christians that shuck the belief that homosexual pairing is abhorrent and instead embrace it as a good thing.
 
So, basically - Christians believe gay sex is sinning, according to their holy book which they believe their god dictated.

Fair enough. Does that make them homophobic?

No moreso than that they are also whorophobic, slutophobic, atheophobic, islamophobic, etc etc etc.

Turns out that they don't care if whores, sluts, atheists, or muslims get married, though.
 
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